To those who want Brunell to restructure:

BrudLee · 03-08-2005, 04:17 PM

In another thread, several posters wondered why Brunell hasn't restructured his deal to lower his cap number. There's a very good reason.

If he was to restructure without taking a paycut, we would be basically turning a portion of his 2005 earnings into signing bonus. While that would lower his cost for this year, it would also increase the cap hit when he is finally cut - and rest assured, he will be cut. Brunell signed a seven-year deal with an $8.6 million bonus. His base salary this year is only $1.5 million, which means that only about 700k could be converted into bonus - but it means that (hypothetically) the cap hit for cutting him next year goes from $5.75 million to $6.4 million, which we will then scream bloody murder about.

Now, if you are talking about a pay cut, then I'm all for it. Now get Brunell to agree.

Daseal · 03-08-2005, 04:45 PM

Yes - paycut I think people want. No sense in pushing off the money we owe him - just means longer to cut him!

steveo395 · 03-08-2005, 04:48 PM

i hate brunell

RedskinRat · 03-08-2005, 04:48 PM

I'd be happier with job cut, at his expense. We don't need him, draft a low round prospect and let the new guy ride the pine for a few years.

FRPLG · 03-08-2005, 04:50 PM

they can rework his deal pretty easy.

current deal
$2,005.00 $2,006.00 $2,007.00 $2,008.00 $2,009.00
sal $4,000.00 $5,200.00 $6,400.00 $7,600.00 $8,800.00
sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33
ob $500.00

cap hit $5,933.33 $6,633.33 $7,833.33 $9,033.33 $10,233.33
release fee $7,666.67 $5,733.33 $4,300.00 $2,866.67 $1,433.33

new deal
sal $540.00 $5,200.00 $6,400.00 $7,600.00 $8,800.00
newb $692.00 $692.00 $692.00 $692.00 $692.00
sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33
ob $500.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00

cap hit $3,165.33 $7,325.33 $8,525.33 $9,725.33 $10,925.33
release fee $11,126.67 $8,501.33 $6,376.00 $4,250.67 $2,125.33

saves almost 2.8 this year...except i think the deadline is passed for making such a deal.

FRPLG · 03-08-2005, 04:52 PM

of course if we cut him post june 1 he'd cost us 1.433 mil this year and 5.733 next year. thats not too bad.

SkinsRock · 03-08-2005, 04:53 PM

If they need a little breathing room to sign draft picks or other players closer to the season, sure, push a little bit till next year.
Of course the best scenario would be for him to take a pay cut, but I seriously doubt he would do it.

FRPLG · 03-08-2005, 04:59 PM

he's not going to do that. if he is that good of a person i would feel bad taking money from him honestly.

PSUskinsfan11 · 03-08-2005, 04:59 PM

Signing Brunell was the worst FA move ever. He even cost us a draft pick!!!

celts32 · 03-08-2005, 05:05 PM

Restructuring Brunel would be stupid. It only makes sense to restructure people who you see on the team long term. That would just make a bad cap deal worse.

firstdown · 03-08-2005, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveo395

i hate brunell

Its our front office we should hate. Can't blame a guy for taking money offered to him and we would have thought he was crazy if he did.

CrazyCanuck · 03-08-2005, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRPLG

they can rework his deal pretty easy.

current deal
$2,005.00 $2,006.00 $2,007.00 $2,008.00 $2,009.00
sal $4,000.00 $5,200.00 $6,400.00 $7,600.00 $8,800.00
sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33
ob $500.00

cap hit $5,933.33 $6,633.33 $7,833.33 $9,033.33 $10,233.33
release fee $7,666.67 $5,733.33 $4,300.00 $2,866.67 $1,433.33

new deal
sal $540.00 $5,200.00 $6,400.00 $7,600.00 $8,800.00
newb $692.00 $692.00 $692.00 $692.00 $692.00
sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33
ob $500.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00

cap hit $3,165.33 $7,325.33 $8,525.33 $9,725.33 $10,925.33
release fee $11,126.67 $8,501.33 $6,376.00 $4,250.67 $2,125.33

saves almost 2.8 this year...except i think the deadline is passed for making such a deal.

Seems you skipped over 2005 in your numbers. Brunell's 2005 cap hit is only $3.433M.

FRPLG · 03-08-2005, 05:59 PM

yeah disregard those numbers i had snafu with my excel. i suck.

FRPLG · 03-08-2005, 06:03 PM

2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
sal $1,500 $4,000 $5,200 $6,400 $7,600 $8,800
sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33
ob $500.00

cap hit $3,433.33 $5,433.33 $6,633.33 $7,833.33 $9,033.33 $8,800.00
release fee $7,666.67 $5,733.33 $4,300.00 $2,866.67 $1,433.33 $0.00

nsal $540.00 $4,000.00 $5,200.00 $6,400.00 $7,600.00 $8,800.00
nb $192.00 $192.00 $192.00 $192.00 $192.00 $192.00
sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $0.00
ob $500.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00

cap hit $2,665.33 $5,625.33 $6,825.33 $8,025.33 $9,225.33 $8,992.00
release fee $8,626.67 $6,693.33 $5,068.00 $3,442.67 $1,817.33 $192.00

these are better numbers and show that restructuring Brunell now does little for us

John Hasbrouck · 03-08-2005, 06:21 PM

Brunell considers himself a starter and is not about to accept a pay cut. This is a situation we will have to live with. Be great if we could trade him.

03-08-2005, 04:17 PM	#1
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	To those who want Brunell to restructure: In another thread, several posters wondered why Brunell hasn't restructured his deal to lower his cap number. There's a very good reason. If he was to restructure without taking a paycut, we would be basically turning a portion of his 2005 earnings into signing bonus. While that would lower his cost for this year, it would also increase the cap hit when he is finally cut - and rest assured, he will be cut. Brunell signed a seven-year deal with an $8.6 million bonus. His base salary this year is only $1.5 million, which means that only about 700k could be converted into bonus - but it means that (hypothetically) the cap hit for cutting him next year goes from $5.75 million to $6.4 million, which we will then scream bloody murder about. Now, if you are talking about a pay cut, then I'm all for it. Now get Brunell to agree. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

03-08-2005, 04:45 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: Yes - paycut I think people want. No sense in pushing off the money we owe him - just means longer to cut him!

03-08-2005, 04:48 PM	#3
steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,674	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: i hate brunell

03-08-2005, 04:48 PM	#4
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: I'd be happier with job cut, at his expense. We don't need him, draft a low round prospect and let the new guy ride the pine for a few years.

03-08-2005, 04:50 PM	#5
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: they can rework his deal pretty easy. current deal $2,005.00 $2,006.00 $2,007.00 $2,008.00 $2,009.00 sal $4,000.00 $5,200.00 $6,400.00 $7,600.00 $8,800.00 sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 ob $500.00 cap hit $5,933.33 $6,633.33 $7,833.33 $9,033.33 $10,233.33 release fee $7,666.67 $5,733.33 $4,300.00 $2,866.67 $1,433.33 new deal sal $540.00 $5,200.00 $6,400.00 $7,600.00 $8,800.00 newb $692.00 $692.00 $692.00 $692.00 $692.00 sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 ob $500.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 cap hit $3,165.33 $7,325.33 $8,525.33 $9,725.33 $10,925.33 release fee $11,126.67 $8,501.33 $6,376.00 $4,250.67 $2,125.33 saves almost 2.8 this year...except i think the deadline is passed for making such a deal.

03-08-2005, 04:52 PM	#6
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: of course if we cut him post june 1 he'd cost us 1.433 mil this year and 5.733 next year. thats not too bad.

03-08-2005, 04:53 PM	#7
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: If they need a little breathing room to sign draft picks or other players closer to the season, sure, push a little bit till next year. Of course the best scenario would be for him to take a pay cut, but I seriously doubt he would do it.

03-08-2005, 04:59 PM	#8
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: he's not going to do that. if he is that good of a person i would feel bad taking money from him honestly.

03-08-2005, 04:59 PM	#9
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 40 Posts: 692	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: Signing Brunell was the worst FA move ever. He even cost us a draft pick!!!

03-08-2005, 05:05 PM	#10
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: Restructuring Brunel would be stupid. It only makes sense to restructure people who you see on the team long term. That would just make a bad cap deal worse.

03-08-2005, 05:59 PM	#13
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: yeah disregard those numbers i had snafu with my excel. i suck.

03-08-2005, 06:03 PM	#14
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 sal $1,500 $4,000 $5,200 $6,400 $7,600 $8,800 sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 ob $500.00 cap hit $3,433.33 $5,433.33 $6,633.33 $7,833.33 $9,033.33 $8,800.00 release fee $7,666.67 $5,733.33 $4,300.00 $2,866.67 $1,433.33 $0.00 nsal $540.00 $4,000.00 $5,200.00 $6,400.00 $7,600.00 $8,800.00 nb $192.00 $192.00 $192.00 $192.00 $192.00 $192.00 sb $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $1,433.33 $0.00 ob $500.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 cap hit $2,665.33 $5,625.33 $6,825.33 $8,025.33 $9,225.33 $8,992.00 release fee $8,626.67 $6,693.33 $5,068.00 $3,442.67 $1,817.33 $192.00 these are better numbers and show that restructuring Brunell now does little for us

03-08-2005, 06:21 PM	#15
John Hasbrouck Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 180	Re: To those who want Brunell to restructure: Brunell considers himself a starter and is not about to accept a pay cut. This is a situation we will have to live with. Be great if we could trade him.

To those who want Brunell to restructure:

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