Wonderlic!

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Name School Score Avg 20.54 Position

Antwan Odom Alabama 10 DE Avg 18.80
Justin Smiley Alabama 21 G Avg 21.64
Jason Shivers Arizona State 14 FS Avg 17.14
Ahmad Carroll Arkansas 17 CB Avg 15.46
Cedric Cobbs Arkansas 14 RB Avg 19.25
Shawns Andrews Arkansas 20 T Avg 23.81
Jason Peters Arkansas 9 TE Avg 26.78
Karlso Dansby Auburn 15 LB Avg 20.79
Dontarrious Thomas Auburn 24 LB Avg 20.79
Chris Snee Boston College 19 G Avg 21.64
Sean Ryan Boston College 35 TE Avg 26.78
Josh Harris Bowling Green 25 QB Avg 25.00
Mark Wilson California 30 T Avg 23.81
Donnell Washington Clemson 8 DT Avg 16.67
Gabe Nyenhuis Colorado 7 DE Avg 18.80
Bradlee Van Pelt Colorado State 25 QB Avg 25.00
Uyi Osunde Connecticut 21 DE Avg 18.80
Brian Rimpf East Carolina 35 T Avg 23.81
Keiwan Ratliff Florida 18 CB Avg 15.46
Bobby McCray Florida 14 DE Avg 18.80
Shannon Snell Florida 28 G Avg 21.64
Max Starks Florida (OG) 35 T Avg 23.81
Darnell Dockett Florida State 17 DT Avg 16.67
Michael Boulware Florida State 24 LB Avg 20.79
Kendyll Pope Florida State 18 LB Avg 20.79
Greg Jones Florida State 25 RB Avg 19.25
Bernard Berrian Fresno State 20 WR Avg 19.64
Sean Jones Georgia 18 FS Avg 17.14
Ben Watson Georgia 41 TE Avg 26.78
Daryl Smith Georgia Tech 13 LB Avg 20.79
Keyaron Fox Georgia Tech 16 LB Avg 20.79
Nat Dorsey Georgia Tech 35 T Avg 23.81
Isaac Hilton Hampton 23 DE Avg 18.80
Travis Laboy Hawaii 29 DE Avg 18.80
Isaac Sopoaga Hawaii 8 DT Avg 16.67
Sean Bubin Illinois 24 T Avg 23.81
Fred Russell Iowa 9 RB Avg 19.25
Robert Gallery Iowa 23 T Avg 23.81
Adrian Jones Kansas 17 T Avg 23.81
Andrew Shull Kansas State 21 DE Avg 18.80
Bryan Hickman Kansas State 16 LB Avg 20.79
Eli Roberson Kansas State 11 QB Avg 25.00
Antonio Hall Kentucky 20 G Avg 21.64
Jared Lorenzen Kentucky 28 QB Avg 25.00
Marquise Hill LSU 13 DE Avg 18.80
Chad Lavalais LSU 10 DT Avg 16.67
Steve Peterman LSU 20 G Avg 21.64
Matt Mauck LSU 30 QB Avg 25.00
Michael Clayton LSU 19 WR Avg 19.64
Devery Henderson LSU 17 WR Avg 19.64
Randy Starks Maryland 20 DT Avg 16.67
Jeff Dugan Maryland 24 TE Avg 26.78
Keith Smith McNeese State 17 CB Avg 15.46
Kellen Winslow Miami 12 TE Avg 26.78
Vince Wilfork Miami (FL) 10 DT Avg 16.67
Sean Taylor Miami (FL) 10 FS Avg 17.14
Vernon Carey Miami (FL) 18 G Avg 21.64
D.J. Williams Miami (FL) 21 LB Avg 20.79
Jonathan Vilma Miami (FL) 23 LB Avg 20.79
Jarrett Payton Miami (FL) 12 RB Avg 19.25
Carlos Joseph Miami (FL) 7 T Avg 23.81
Jacob Bell Miami (OH) 22 G Avg 21.64
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (OH) 25 QB Avg 25.00
Jeremy LeSueur Michigan 16 CB Avg 15.46
John Navarre Michigan 24 QB Avg 25.00
Chris Perry Michigan 20 RB Avg 19.25
Tony Pape Michigan 23 T Avg 23.81
Matthias Askew Michigan State 10 DT Avg 16.67
Jeff Smoker Michigan State 23 QB Avg 25.00
Ben Utecht Minnesota 22 TE Avg 26.78
Eli Manning Mississippi 39 QB Avg 25.00
Stacey Andrews Mississippi 15 T Avg 23.81
Joey Thomas Montana State 19 CB Avg 15.46
Demorrio Williams Nebraska 12 LB Avg 20.79
Sean Locklear North Carolina State 19 G Avg 21.64
Philip Rivers North Carolina State 30 QB Avg 25.00
Michael Turner Northern Illinois 35 RB Avg 19.25
Vontez Duff Notre Dame 16 CB Avg 15.46
Darrell Campbell Notre Dame 21 DT Avg 16.67
Courtney Watson Notre Dame 24 LB Avg 20.79
Julius Jones Notre Dame 16 RB Avg 19.25
Chris Gamble Ohio State 9 CB Avg 15.46
Will Smith Ohio State 23 DE Avg 18.80
Darrion Scott Ohio State 12 DE Avg 18.80
Tim Anderson Ohio State 25 DT Avg 16.67
Will Allen Ohio State 13 FS Avg 17.14
Adrien Clarke Ohio State 24 G Avg 21.64
Maurice Clarett Ohio State 20 RB Avg 19.25
Shane Olivea Ohio State 18 T Avg 23.81
Ben Hartsock Ohio State 32 TE Avg 26.78
Michael Jenkins Ohio State 20 WR Avg 19.64
Derrick Strait Oklahoma 15 CB Avg 15.46
Tommie Harris Oklahoma 11 DT Avg 16.67
Brandon Everage Oklahoma 15 FS Avg 17.14
Teddy Lehman Oklahoma 39 LB Avg 20.79
Tatum Bell Oklahoma State 18 RB Avg 19.25
Rashaun Woods Oklahoma State 21 WR Avg 19.64
Igor Olshansky Oregon 29 DT Avg 16.67
Junior Siavii Oregon 15 DT Avg 16.67
Jason Fife Oregon 26 QB Avg 25.00
Dwan Edwards Oregon State 29 DT Avg 16.67
Steven Jackson Oregon State 28 RB Avg 19.25
Tim Euhus Oregon State 34 TE Avg 26.78
Rod Rutherford Pittsburgh 17 QB Avg 25.00
Larry Fitzgerald Pittsburgh 18 WR Avg 19.64
Shaun Phillips Purdue 17 DE Avg 18.80
Stuart Schweigert Purdue 28 FS Avg 17.14
Niko Koutouvides Purdue 28 LB Avg 20.79
Kelly Butler Purdue 29 T Avg 23.81
Dunta Robinson South Carolina 13 CB Avg 15.46
Travelle Wharton South Carolina 12 T Avg 23.81
Will Poole Southern Cal 14 CB Avg 15.46
Kenechi Udeze Southern Cal 18 DE Avg 18.80
Jacob Rogers Southern Cal 29 T Avg 23.81
Keary Colbert Southern Cal 21 WR Avg 19.64
Rod Davis Southern Miss 18 LB Avg 20.79
Kirk Chambers Stanford 29 T Avg 23.81
Bo Schobel TCU 27 DE Avg 18.80
Anthonly Herrera Tennessee 23 G Avg 21.64
Casey Clausen Tennessee 20 QB Avg 25.00
Nathan Vasher Texas 13 CB Avg 15.46
Marcus Tubbs Texas 21 DT Avg 16.67
Roy Williams Texas 17 WR Avg 19.64
Alan Reuber Texas AM (T) 24 G Avg 21.64
B.J. Symons Texas Tech 22 QB Avg 25.00
J.P. Losman Tulane 31 QB Avg 25.00
Mewelde Moore Tulane 19 RB Avg 19.25
Ricardo Colclough Tusculum 11 CB Avg 15.46
Dave Ball UCLA 25 DE Avg 18.80
Matt Ware UCLA 22 FS Avg 17.14
Chris Cooley Utah State 32 TE Avg 26.78
Matt Schaub Virginia 30 QB Avg 25.00
DeAngelo Hall Virginia Tech 23 CB Avg 15.46
Kevin Jones Virginia Tech 15 RB Avg 19.25
Ernest Wilford Virginia Tech 19 WR Avg 19.64
Tank Johnson Washington 16 DT Avg 16.67
Cody Pickett Washington 19 QB Avg 25.00
Reggie Williams Washington 17 WR Avg 19.64
Jason Babin Western Michigan 22 DE Avg 18.80
Lee Evans Wisconsin 27 WR Avg 19.64

I found it very interesting posted over on Hailredskins.com by RedskinFN28. My thanks!

[SmootSmack]

Take an abbreviated, sample Wonderlic test

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

[backrow]

Thanks man! Now I will feel so dumb, at least for then next couple of minutes or so.

[sportscurmudgeon]

There once was a QB who took the Wonderlic and scored "in the single digits" With that kind of score, psychologists would be looking for polite ways to say he was "dumb as a fence post". His agent claimed he was distracted and got him to take another test whereupon he scored in the "upper teens". That makes him much smarter than a fence post but still not someone who would ever be confused with a MENSA member.

The Wonderlic purports to be an IQ test which measures learning capacity and innate intelligence. For a QB, you probably want a guy who is smart to begin with and has some learning capacity, no?

Well our subject was a first round pick due to his athleticism but he just could not seem to "grasp" the new offense. So they watered it down for him. Still too complex so they watered it down some more. By that time, the defensive coordinators around the league seemed to know the play about to be run before the offensive line was set. Being a first round QB, our hero got a bonus and therefore had to stay with the team for a couple of years to amortize the cap hit. Then, he was cut.

Moral of the story: It takes more than just brawn to play NFL football...

[Daseal]

What's the highest possible score? 30?

[saden1]

Seems like Winslow is quite smart for a loud mouth :P

[sportscurmudgeon]

I BELIEVE that the highest possible score is something like 44 which would translate to an IQ of about 230. Don't hold me to those numbers exactly because it has been about 10 years since I did any reading about the basis of the Wonderlic and its scoring.

I read somewhere that the lowest Wonderlic score ever recorded for an NFL player was 6. I do recall that according to the people who devised the test, that means that this person would need to be taught to tie his shoes about three times a week.

[Ghost]

Does anyone else think it's odd that just about every QB on that list scored an even 25.00?

[SmootSmack]

http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/existence/wonderlic.html

Here are scores of some NFL QBs....Griese 39 and Favre 22!

[saden1]

Here is the list sorted by average:

It seems very, very odd….down right statistically impossible to have all the players that play the same position have the same score.!


Ben Hartsock Ohio State 32 TE 26.78
Ben Utecht Minnesota 22 TE 26.78
Ben Watson Georgia 41 TE 26.78
Chris Cooley Utah State 32 TE 26.78
Jason Peters Arkansas 9 TE 26.78
Jeff Dugan Maryland 24 TE 26.78
Kellen Winslow Miami 12 TE 26.78
Sean Ryan Boston College 35 TE 26.78
Tim Euhus Oregon State 34 TE 26.78
B.J. Symons Texas Tech 22 QB 25
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (OH) 25 QB 25
Bradlee Van Pelt Colorado State 25 QB 25
Casey Clausen Tennessee 20 QB 25
Cody Pickett Washington 19 QB 25
Eli Manning Mississippi 39 QB 25
Eli Roberson Kansas State 11 QB 25
J.P. Losman Tulane 31 QB 25
Jared Lorenzen Kentucky 28 QB 25
Jason Fife Oregon 26 QB 25
Jeff Smoker Michigan State 23 QB 25
John Navarre Michigan 24 QB 25
Josh Harris Bowling Green 25 QB 25
Matt Mauck LSU 30 QB 25
Matt Schaub Virginia 30 QB 25
Philip Rivers North Carolina State 30 QB 25
Rod Rutherford Pittsburgh 17 QB 25
Adrian Jones Kansas 17 T 23.81
Brian Rimpf East Carolina 35 T 23.81
Carlos Joseph Miami (FL) 7 T 23.81
Jacob Rogers Southern Cal 29 T 23.81
Kelly Butler Purdue 29 T 23.81
Kirk Chambers Stanford 29 T 23.81
Mark Wilson California 30 T 23.81
Max Starks Florida (OG) 35 T 23.81
Nat Dorsey Georgia Tech 35 T 23.81
Robert Gallery Iowa 23 T 23.81
Sean Bubin Illinois 24 T 23.81
Shane Olivea Ohio State 18 T 23.81
Shawns Andrews Arkansas 20 T 23.81
Stacey Andrews Mississippi 15 T 23.81
Tony Pape Michigan 23 T 23.81
Travelle Wharton South Carolina 12 T 23.81
Adrien Clarke Ohio State 24 G 21.64
Alan Reuber Texas AM (T) 24 G 21.64
Anthonly Herrera Tennessee 23 G 21.64
Antonio Hall Kentucky 20 G 21.64
Chris Snee Boston College 19 G 21.64
Jacob Bell Miami (OH) 22 G 21.64
Justin Smiley Alabama 21 G 21.64
Sean Locklear North Carolina State 19 G 21.64
Shannon Snell Florida 28 G 21.64
Steve Peterman LSU 20 G 21.64
Vernon Carey Miami (FL) 18 G 21.64
Bryan Hickman Kansas State 16 LB 20.79
Courtney Watson Notre Dame 24 LB 20.79
D.J. Williams Miami (FL) 21 LB 20.79
Daryl Smith Georgia Tech 13 LB 20.79
Demorrio Williams Nebraska 12 LB 20.79
Dontarrious Thomas Auburn 24 LB 20.79
Jonathan Vilma Miami (FL) 23 LB 20.79
Karlso Dansby Auburn 15 LB 20.79
Kendyll Pope Florida State 18 LB 20.79
Keyaron Fox Georgia Tech 16 LB 20.79
Michael Boulware Florida State 24 LB 20.79
Niko Koutouvides Purdue 28 LB 20.79
Rod Davis Southern Miss 18 LB 20.79
Teddy Lehman Oklahoma 39 LB 20.79
Bernard Berrian Fresno State 20 WR 19.64
Devery Henderson LSU 17 WR 19.64
Ernest Wilford Virginia Tech 19 WR 19.64
Keary Colbert Southern Cal 21 WR 19.64
Larry Fitzgerald Pittsburgh 18 WR 19.64
Lee Evans Wisconsin 27 WR 19.64
Michael Clayton LSU 19 WR 19.64
Michael Jenkins Ohio State 20 WR 19.64
Rashaun Woods Oklahoma State 21 WR 19.64
Reggie Williams Washington 17 WR 19.64
Roy Williams Texas 17 WR 19.64
Cedric Cobbs Arkansas 14 RB 19.25
Chris Perry Michigan 20 RB 19.25
Fred Russell Iowa 9 RB 19.25
Greg Jones Florida State 25 RB 19.25
Jarrett Payton Miami (FL) 12 RB 19.25
Julius Jones Notre Dame 16 RB 19.25
Kevin Jones Virginia Tech 15 RB 19.25
Maurice Clarett Ohio State 20 RB 19.25
Mewelde Moore Tulane 19 RB 19.25
Michael Turner Northern Illinois 35 RB 19.25
Steven Jackson Oregon State 28 RB 19.25
Tatum Bell Oklahoma State 18 RB 19.25
Andrew Shull Kansas State 21 DE 18.8
Antwan Odom Alabama 10 DE 18.8
Bo Schobel TCU 27 DE 18.8
Bobby McCray Florida 14 DE 18.8
Darrion Scott Ohio State 12 DE 18.8
Dave Ball UCLA 25 DE 18.8
Gabe Nyenhuis Colorado 7 DE 18.8
Isaac Hilton Hampton 23 DE 18.8
Jason Babin Western Michigan 22 DE 18.8
Kenechi Udeze Southern Cal 18 DE 18.8
Marquise Hill LSU 13 DE 18.8
Shaun Phillips Purdue 17 DE 18.8
Travis Laboy Hawaii 29 DE 18.8
Uyi Osunde Connecticut 21 DE 18.8
Will Smith Ohio State 23 DE 18.8
Brandon Everage Oklahoma 15 FS 17.14
Jason Shivers Arizona State 14 FS 17.14
Matt Ware UCLA 22 FS 17.14
Sean Jones Georgia 18 FS 17.14
Sean Taylor Miami (FL) 10 FS 17.14
Stuart Schweigert Purdue 28 FS 17.14
Will Allen Ohio State 13 FS 17.14
Chad Lavalais LSU 10 DT 16.67
Darnell Dockett Florida State 17 DT 16.67
Darrell Campbell Notre Dame 21 DT 16.67
Donnell Washington Clemson 8 DT 16.67
Dwan Edwards Oregon State 29 DT 16.67
Igor Olshansky Oregon 29 DT 16.67
Isaac Sopoaga Hawaii 8 DT 16.67
Junior Siavii Oregon 15 DT 16.67
Marcus Tubbs Texas 21 DT 16.67
Matthias Askew Michigan State 10 DT 16.67
Randy Starks Maryland 20 DT 16.67
Tank Johnson Washington 16 DT 16.67
Tim Anderson Ohio State 25 DT 16.67
Tommie Harris Oklahoma 11 DT 16.67
Vince Wilfork Miami (FL) 10 DT 16.67
Ahmad Carroll Arkansas 17 CB 15.46
Chris Gamble Ohio State 9 CB 15.46
DeAngelo Hall Virginia Tech 23 CB 15.46
Derrick Strait Oklahoma 15 CB 15.46
Dunta Robinson South Carolina 13 CB 15.46
Jeremy LeSueur Michigan 16 CB 15.46
Joey Thomas Montana State 19 CB 15.46
Keith Smith McNeese State 17 CB 15.46
Keiwan Ratliff Florida 18 CB 15.46
Nathan Vasher Texas 13 CB 15.46
Ricardo Colclough Tusculum 11 CB 15.46
Vontez Duff Notre Dame 16 CB 15.46
Will Poole Southern Cal 14 CB 15.46

[Daseal]

wow, you have to have a 25+ to be a TE I guess!

[LynzSkins]

Originally Posted by Daseal

What's the highest possible score? 30?

50 is the highest possible

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by saden1

It seems very, very odd….down right statistically impossible to have all the players that play the same position have the same score.!

Are you being facetious, saden? I think the last figure on each row is the average score for the players at that position. It certainly would be improbable that all the players at the same position scored exactly the same.

It is funny though, that tight ends posted the highest average score. I never thought of tight ends as being the brightest of the bunch. Who woulda thunk it? I guess when you consider how versatile a tight end has to be, it makes sense that they would be mentally dexterous as well.

[Gmanc711]

What is this thing anyways? I'm lost

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

What is this thing anyways? I'm lost

It's similar to an IQ test, it's a "mental agility" test that all potential draftees are given.