New Signings!?!? (Brunell Restructures)

Redskins8588 · 03-10-2005, 03:52 AM

I see that Mark Brunell restructured his contract to free up $1million in cap relief. And the way that Gibbs was talking yesterday, I wonder who is going to get cut on June 1st that they are going to go after? Any ideas???

Daseal · 03-10-2005, 04:12 AM

Ugh - did he take a paycut or did we make him harder to cut in a couple years?

BrudLee · 03-10-2005, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Ugh - did he take a paycut or did we make him harder to cut in a couple years?

It's a cut.

He could still make his mony, but it's built into incentives. He shouldn't see the field, and if he does, we've got bigger problems than cap management.

BigSKINBauer · 03-10-2005, 05:55 AM

i think it doesn't hurt us later. ...... here is a paragraph from the washington post

Last year, Brunell signed a seven-year, $34 million contract that included an $8.6 million bonus. Brunell was scheduled to make about $2 million this season -- a $500,000 roster bonus due this month, plus $1.5 million in base salary. Sources with knowledge of the details said that Brunell agreed to reduce his roster bonus to $235,000 and will earn $765,000, the NFL's minimum salary for a 12th-year veteran. Brunell could make up for the difference through incentives, which don't count against the cap.

it says in the last line he would make up the difference through incentives which don't count against the cap.
This would be nice but we still got like 40 mil to go!!

Gmanc711 · 03-10-2005, 08:16 AM

Nice to see Brunell did that; even though everyone wanted him too. I dont blame him if he doesnet want too. Maybe Andre Dyson? I heard his name thrown around but I'm not even sure if he is a free agent; is he? Nice to see we have some extra cash though.

FRPLG · 03-10-2005, 09:08 AM

OK guys... anyone who wants to bash Brunell's playing can do so but I think he deserves MAJOR credit for doing this. He is taking a cut to help out this team. I said somewhere else around here that there's no way even a guy like he would do this. Guess I am a cynic because he proved me wrong. This is a class guy all they way. Something to makes us smile about I guess.

Gmanc711 · 03-10-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

OK guys... anyone who wants to bash Brunell's playing can do so but I think he deserves MAJOR credit for doing this. He is taking a cut to help out this team. I said somewhere else around here that there's no way even a guy like he would do this. Guess I am a cynic because he proved me wrong. This is a class guy all they way. Something to makes us smile about I guess.

I agree. If he see's the feild again were in major trouble. However, this was a nice move by him. I've always heard he was a stand up type of guy, but his play last year really put a damper on that. But taking a cut is somthing really respectable. He's still making out like a theif, but whatever helps.

CrazyCanuck · 03-10-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

OK guys... anyone who wants to bash Brunell's playing can do so but I think he deserves MAJOR credit for doing this. He is taking a cut to help out this team. I said somewhere else around here that there's no way even a guy like he would do this. Guess I am a cynic because he proved me wrong. This is a class guy all they way. Something to makes us smile about I guess.

Amen. I'm pretty surprised.

CrazyCanuck · 03-10-2005, 04:43 PM

I'm also a little confused on the incentives here.

It appears Brunell has 'easy' incentives to make up the $1M in 2006. But I always thought if an incentive was "likely to be earned" then it would count against the current cap (2005). If the incentive was "not likely to be earned", and was still earned, then it would count against 2006.

Regardless of the specifics, it's a classy move by Brunell.

monk81 · 03-10-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

OK guys... anyone who wants to bash Brunell's playing can do so but I think he deserves MAJOR credit for doing this. He is taking a cut to help out this team. I said somewhere else around here that there's no way even a guy like he would do this. Guess I am a cynic because he proved me wrong. This is a class guy all they way. Something to makes us smile about I guess.

I concur........Brunell did something to help the team, something he didn't have to do.....and most likely he realizes that he will be holding a clipboard and Ramsey will be THE MAN so Brunell won't see any of those incentives. Nice Gesture.......YEAH BRUNELL!!! :headbange

DragoJT87 · 03-10-2005, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRPLG

OK guys... anyone who wants to bash Brunell's playing can do so but I think he deserves MAJOR credit for doing this. He is taking a cut to help out this team. I said somewhere else around here that there's no way even a guy like he would do this. Guess I am a cynic because he proved me wrong. This is a class guy all they way. Something to makes us smile about I guess.

I never doubted his character. He's a stand up guy.

FRPLG · 03-10-2005, 09:19 AM

Yeah it's definitely a cut since he can't even remotely expect to meet any type of incentives. Incentives DO count against the cap when they are "expected to be met". Expected means they achieved them the previous season. This keeps teams from giving guys a 5 million dollar siging bonus for playing one play. So the incentives must mean he'd have to play more and better than last year which is definitely not likely to happen.

redwagonskins · 03-10-2005, 09:31 AM

Remember, these are team incentives not personal ones. He doesn't take a cut unless the Skins don't improve from the 30th rated offense. (the cynic on me has some feelings on this...). If they are 29th or better, even if he never sees the field, he gets the bonus.

BrudLee · 03-10-2005, 09:55 AM

One of the incentives is team-based according to the Post. Obviously, until Canuck hacks the NFLPA website, we have no way of knowing if all of his incentives are "likely to be earned".

One could argue that a team that trades or releases it's top two receivers and potentially weakens its defense (affecting Time of Possession) isn't "likely" to improve its offensive ranking anyway. I hate to think in those terms, but Curmudgeon isn't logged on, and somebody's got to pee-pee in my coffee.

MTK · 03-10-2005, 10:00 AM

Well, well, well. Can we lay off poor Brunell now? I know he had an awful year but the guy is a classy pro and has proven to be a team guy while taking a backseat to Ramsey.

He could have easily said I didn't sign up for this and pouted his way out of town like someone else we know.

03-10-2005, 03:52 AM	#1
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	New Signings!?!? I see that Mark Brunell restructured his contract to free up $1million in cap relief. And the way that Gibbs was talking yesterday, I wonder who is going to get cut on June 1st that they are going to go after? Any ideas??? __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

03-10-2005, 04:12 AM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: New Signings!?!? Ugh - did he take a paycut or did we make him harder to cut in a couple years?

03-10-2005, 05:55 AM	#4
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: New Signings!?!? i think it doesn't hurt us later. ...... here is a paragraph from the washington post Last year, Brunell signed a seven-year, $34 million contract that included an $8.6 million bonus. Brunell was scheduled to make about $2 million this season -- a $500,000 roster bonus due this month, plus $1.5 million in base salary. Sources with knowledge of the details said that Brunell agreed to reduce his roster bonus to $235,000 and will earn $765,000, the NFL's minimum salary for a 12th-year veteran. Brunell could make up for the difference through incentives, which don't count against the cap. it says in the last line he would make up the difference through incentives which don't count against the cap. This would be nice but we still got like 40 mil to go!!

03-10-2005, 08:16 AM	#5
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: New Signings!?!? Nice to see Brunell did that; even though everyone wanted him too. I dont blame him if he doesnet want too. Maybe Andre Dyson? I heard his name thrown around but I'm not even sure if he is a free agent; is he? Nice to see we have some extra cash though. __________________ #21

03-10-2005, 09:08 AM	#6
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: New Signings!?!? OK guys... anyone who wants to bash Brunell's playing can do so but I think he deserves MAJOR credit for doing this. He is taking a cut to help out this team. I said somewhere else around here that there's no way even a guy like he would do this. Guess I am a cynic because he proved me wrong. This is a class guy all they way. Something to makes us smile about I guess.

03-10-2005, 04:43 PM	#9
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Re: New Signings!?!? I'm also a little confused on the incentives here. It appears Brunell has 'easy' incentives to make up the $1M in 2006. But I always thought if an incentive was "likely to be earned" then it would count against the current cap (2005). If the incentive was "not likely to be earned", and was still earned, then it would count against 2006. Regardless of the specifics, it's a classy move by Brunell.

03-10-2005, 09:19 AM	#12
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: New Signings!?!? Yeah it's definitely a cut since he can't even remotely expect to meet any type of incentives. Incentives DO count against the cap when they are "expected to be met". Expected means they achieved them the previous season. This keeps teams from giving guys a 5 million dollar siging bonus for playing one play. So the incentives must mean he'd have to play more and better than last year which is definitely not likely to happen.

03-10-2005, 09:31 AM	#13
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: New Signings!?!? Remember, these are team incentives not personal ones. He doesn't take a cut unless the Skins don't improve from the 30th rated offense. (the cynic on me has some feelings on this...). If they are 29th or better, even if he never sees the field, he gets the bonus.

03-10-2005, 09:55 AM	#14
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: New Signings!?!? One of the incentives is team-based according to the Post. Obviously, until Canuck hacks the NFLPA website, we have no way of knowing if all of his incentives are "likely to be earned". One could argue that a team that trades or releases it's top two receivers and potentially weakens its defense (affecting Time of Possession) isn't "likely" to improve its offensive ranking anyway. I hate to think in those terms, but Curmudgeon isn't logged on, and somebody's got to pee-pee in my coffee. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

03-10-2005, 10:00 AM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: New Signings!?!? Well, well, well. Can we lay off poor Brunell now? I know he had an awful year but the guy is a classy pro and has proven to be a team guy while taking a backseat to Ramsey. He could have easily said I didn't sign up for this and pouted his way out of town like someone else we know. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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