Overrated/Underrated Redskins

CultBrennan59 · 06-18-2013, 09:04 PM

I was going to hold off on this thread, but since the topic of Barry Cofield being vastly underrated came up today and the fact that NFL.com is doing a list series for each teams overrated and underrated players which you can find right here All-time underrated and overrated players for every team - NFL.com (Redskins will be revealed on the 4th of July), it got me thinking of a couple of questions.

Who is the most overrated and the most underrated Redskin on the roster this year? (Why?)

Who is the most overrated and the most underrated Redskin of all time? (Why?)

I'll say overrated is Ryan Kerrigan, underrated is Darrel Young. I picked Ryan Kerrigan because he is widely regarded by the NFL as a very good 3-4 OLB and complement to Orakpo and a pro bowler. When he plays with Orakpo he's good, but when Orakpo is out, you rarely see him making the big play or getting to the QB consistently as much as other great 3-4 OLBs can.
Darrel Young on the other hand is quietly rated by some as a top 5 FB (B/R NFL 1000 2013: Top 16 Fullbacks | Bleacher Report ; Redskins lock up a couple of key pieces - NFC East Blog - ESPN ). He has really progressed well considering it was only a few years ago the Redskins converted him from a LB that wasn't making the roster to a fullback that helped us lead the league in rushing last year.

My most overrated Redskin of all time is probably going to be Clinton Portis. My most underrated Redskin of all time is going to be Don Warren. He was that solid TE who did his job and was with the Redskins for 14 years, where he went to 4 super bowls and won 3. To equate him to todays game, he's like the Chris Chester of our offense in terms of getting the job done. Or another comparison would be that he's Santana Moss of today: that player who is still producing late in his career and you forget about because there is so many other weapons on the offense.

SmootSmack · 06-18-2013, 10:58 PM

How is Heath Shuler overrated?

Current Overrated/Underrated: Pierre Garcon/London Fletcher
All-Time Underrated: James Thrash

Seriously though

All-time Overrated: probably Chip Lohmiller or Doug Williams. Chip wasn't quite as good as history remembers him. And Williams had great (undeniably great) moments for the Redskins but in all he only played 16 games for us and most of it was a rather average career here. I think some think he was a stud for years on end here

All-time Underrated: Mark Rypien. He was a pretty solid QB for more than just that 1991 season.

Current overrated: Really tempted to say Roy Helu. He's one of my favorite players on the team, but overall he's not as awesome/the game changer that we'd like to believe.

Current Underrated: Not sure Josh Morgan gets enough love for all the little things he does. Also think Chris Chester is a bit underrated

CultBrennan59 · 06-18-2013, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How is Heath Shuler overrated?

Current Overrated/Underrated: Pierre Garcon/London Fletcher
All-Time Underrated: James Thrash

Seriously though

All-time Overrated: probably Chip Lohmiller or Doug Williams. Chip wasn't quite as good as history remembers him. And Williams had great (undeniably great) moments for the Redskins but in all he only played 16 games for us and most of it was a rather average career here. I think some think he was a stud for years on end here

All-time Underrated: Mark Rypien. He was a pretty solid QB for more than just that 1991 season.

Current overrated: Really tempted to say Roy Helu. He's one of my favorite players on the team, but overall he's not as awesome/the game changer that we'd like to believe.

Current Underrated: Not sure Josh Morgan gets enough love for all the little things he does. Also think Chris Chester is a bit underrated

Coming out of college and what skins fans thought he was going to be. I really couldn't think of anyone other than..Clinton Portis.

SmootSmack · 06-18-2013, 11:20 PM

I thought overrated like when people look back on their careers. Not what they were expected to be when drafted

Paintrain · 06-18-2013, 11:21 PM

All time overrated-Lavar Arrington.. I had huge hopes for him as a Redskin, kept waiting for him to become a beast and he never fully did. I wanted him to be our LT but instead he was a very good but not great player.

All time underrated-Monte Coleman.. Huge part of our SB teams but doesn't seem to get the legendary respect that is reserved for bigger names. He wasn't Hall of Fame caliber but he was the heart and soul of many teams.

Current overrated-I've got to agree with SS on Helu. Dude has zero vision as a running back. I was watching the Saints game again recently and he had a stretch play blocked beautifully for him to get to the edge and down the sideline. He cut inside, tripped over Young (who had a great seal block) and fell down for a 3 yard gain. I wish he had a fraction of the vision that Morris and Royster possess but I think he will be a disappointment as a Redskin.

Current Underrated-Garcon and Morgan. They don't have the draft pedigree or contracts of the other WR groups in our division, but for our system, I like them as much as any. Garcon showed an array of skills last year and you can't argue with 9-2 when he starts the game. Morgan got off on a bad note with the Rams debacle but he was our most consistent WR last year in terms of moving the chains and catching the ball. A healthy offseason and he could break out this fall.

CultBrennan59 · 06-18-2013, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I thought overrated like when people look back on their careers. Not what they were expected to be when drafted

Yeah we're on the same page, I just couldn't think of an instant overrated guy, now that I thought of CP, he's the one!

Lotus · 06-19-2013, 12:06 AM

Overrated (with Skins anyway): Dana Stubblefield
Underrated: Rich Milot or Roy Jefferson

Current overrated: DeAngelo Hall
Current underrated: Perry Riley

Paintrain · 06-19-2013, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Overrated (with Skins anyway): Dana Stubblefield
Underrated: Rich Milot or Roy Jefferson

Current overrated: DeAngelo Hall
Current underrated: Perry Riley

Great call on Riley.

Ruhskins · 06-19-2013, 03:45 AM

Overrated: Niles Paul (apparently some people think that good hits in special teams make up for his inability to catch the ball)

Underrated: Josh Morgan (As SS said, all the little things he does are not noticed by the average fan)

The Dull Roar · 06-19-2013, 04:26 AM

Overrated: Chase Minnifield

I've heard a lot of people rave about how good of a player Chase will be this year because they've heard about how much the coaches loved him during last years training camp. But given the micro-fracture injury and torn acl being coupled with his less than ideal measurements, I just don't believe he has much of a shot of making the 53 man roster.

Underrated: Brandon Meriweather

I know this might be a slightly controversial one to say as the most underrated player currently on the team but I think Meriweather is a huge asset to our defense. He fits the defensive scheme perfectly because he great in the box (especially if it comes to blitzing from the strong safety position).

A prime example of Meriweather coming in and really making a difference for our defense immediately was the first eagles game last year. In that one quarter or two he was a prime reason why our defense actually looked competent. If he can stay healthy, he will be a big upgrade for our struggling defense this year.

irish · 06-19-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

All time overrated-Lavar Arrington.. I had huge hopes for him as a Redskin, kept waiting for him to become a beast and he never fully did. I wanted him to be our LT but instead he was a very good but not great player.

All time underrated-Monte Coleman.. Huge part of our SB teams but doesn't seem to get the legendary respect that is reserved for bigger names. He wasn't Hall of Fame caliber but he was the heart and soul of many teams.

Current overrated-I've got to agree with SS on Helu. Dude has zero vision as a running back. I was watching the Saints game again recently and he had a stretch play blocked beautifully for him to get to the edge and down the sideline. He cut inside, tripped over Young (who had a great seal block) and fell down for a 3 yard gain. I wish he had a fraction of the vision that Morris and Royster possess but I think he will be a disappointment as a Redskin.

Current Underrated-Garcon and Morgan. They don't have the draft pedigree or contracts of the other WR groups in our division, but for our system, I like them as much as any. Garcon showed an array of skills last year and you can't argue with 9-2 when he starts the game. Morgan got off on a bad note with the Rams debacle but he was our most consistent WR last year in terms of moving the chains and catching the ball. A healthy offseason and he could break out this fall.

I totally agree, LA was without a doubt the most over-rated Redskin ever.

Currently I think Brian Orakpo is very over-rated. It seems like we hear a lot about the great thing he's going to do but he never seems to do them.

Skinsfanatic · 06-19-2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

I totally agree, LA was without a doubt the most over-rated Redskin ever.

Currently I think Brian Orakpo is very over-rated. It seems like we hear a lot about the great thing he's going to do but he never seems to do them.

Arrington ended Aikman, and thus has a pass and can not ever be listed as overrated.

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JoeRedskin · 06-19-2013, 11:15 AM

All time overrated: Gonna go with the Arrington crowd. He played to the crowd and bought into his own hype but he just never played anywhere near his ability. Imagine L.A. with Fletcher's work ethic and professionalism - not THAT would have been a beastly player.

All time (since the mid 70's) underrated : Tough, so many good solid guys. Harald McClinton, Brig Owens, Brad Dusek, Clint Didier, Milot, Olkewicz, Mayhew, Byner, Brad Edwards, Ken Harvey, Terry Allen ... Ultimately, I think I go with Olkewicz. Ten year career, mainstay of the Gibbs era defenses, run stuffer extraordinare, did most of the things Fletcher does(not the clear leader Fletcher is) without as much recognition as Fletch gets.

Current over rated: Merriweather. He has played one game for us and been cut by two teams. Until the draft, most here seem to assume he would be a difference maker in the defensive backfield. Maybe, but let's see him stay on the field for more than a game.

Current under rated: Again, a lot to choose from but for me it's one of three - Young, Cofield or Morgan. Going to go with Cofield only b/c the other two have already been mentioned.

Lotus · 06-19-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

All time overrated: Gonna go with the Arrington crowd. He played to the crowd and bought into his own hype but he just never played anywhere near his ability. Imagine L.A. with Fletcher's work ethic and professionalism - not THAT would have been a beastly player.

All time (since the mid 70's) underrated : Tough, so many good solid guys. Harald McClinton, Brig Owens, Brad Dusek, Clint Didier, Milot, Olkewicz, Mayhew, Byner, Brad Edwards, Ken Harvey, Terry Allen ... Ultimately, I think I go with Olkewicz. Ten year career, mainstay of the Gibbs era defenses, run stuffer extraordinare, did most of the things Fletcher does(not the clear leader Fletcher is) without as much recognition as Fletch gets.

Current over rated: Merriweather. He has played one game for us and been cut by two teams. Until the draft, most here seem to assume he would be a difference maker in the defensive backfield. Maybe, but let's see him stay on the field for more than a game.

Current under rated: Again, a lot to choose from but for me it's one of three - Young, Cofield or Morgan. Going to go with Cofield only b/c the other two have already been mentioned.

I almost went there. Good call.

SirLK26 · 06-19-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Yeah we're on the same page, I just couldn't think of an instant overrated guy, now that I thought of CP, he's the one!

Explain to me how Clinton Portis is overrated. He's one of my all-time favorite NFL players, any position, so you really hurt my feelings by insulting him.

Just kidding.

But, really, explain it to me. For his career in Washington, he had 6,824 yards, 46 TDs, and a 4.1 avg. When he was healthy, he averaged 1,395 yards a season. 9 TDs a season. And a 4.2 average.

And that is just stats. That's not saying anything about his locker room presence, his example setting, even his stats beyond running. A HOFer in my books without a question. I love Alfred Morris and I'm a huge fan of his. But given the choice between Alfred Morris and a healthy Portis, the choice is so obvious...

I know Morris broke Portis' single season rushing record last year, but if we had had Portis with this good of a team, instead of the crappy teams he had to put up with, he would have gotten over 1,800 yards, possibly broke Dickerson's record. Did he have a problem with staying on the field? Yes. But that takes very little from his legacy as one of the greatest running backs of ALL TIME.

06-18-2013, 09:04 PM	#1
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Overrated/Underrated Redskins I was going to hold off on this thread, but since the topic of Barry Cofield being vastly underrated came up today and the fact that NFL.com is doing a list series for each teams overrated and underrated players which you can find right here All-time underrated and overrated players for every team - NFL.com (Redskins will be revealed on the 4th of July), it got me thinking of a couple of questions. Who is the most overrated and the most underrated Redskin on the roster this year? (Why?) Who is the most overrated and the most underrated Redskin of all time? (Why?) I'll say overrated is Ryan Kerrigan, underrated is Darrel Young. I picked Ryan Kerrigan because he is widely regarded by the NFL as a very good 3-4 OLB and complement to Orakpo and a pro bowler. When he plays with Orakpo he's good, but when Orakpo is out, you rarely see him making the big play or getting to the QB consistently as much as other great 3-4 OLBs can. Darrel Young on the other hand is quietly rated by some as a top 5 FB (B/R NFL 1000 2013: Top 16 Fullbacks \| Bleacher Report ; Redskins lock up a couple of key pieces - NFC East Blog - ESPN ). He has really progressed well considering it was only a few years ago the Redskins converted him from a LB that wasn't making the roster to a fullback that helped us lead the league in rushing last year. My most overrated Redskin of all time is probably going to be Clinton Portis. My most underrated Redskin of all time is going to be Don Warren. He was that solid TE who did his job and was with the Redskins for 14 years, where he went to 4 super bowls and won 3. To equate him to todays game, he's like the Chris Chester of our offense in terms of getting the job done. Or another comparison would be that he's Santana Moss of today: that player who is still producing late in his career and you forget about because there is so many other weapons on the offense. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams" Last edited by CultBrennan59; 06-18-2013 at 11:27 PM.

06-18-2013, 10:58 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Overrated/Underrated Redskins How is Heath Shuler overrated? Current Overrated/Underrated: Pierre Garcon/London Fletcher All-Time Underrated: James Thrash Seriously though All-time Overrated: probably Chip Lohmiller or Doug Williams. Chip wasn't quite as good as history remembers him. And Williams had great (undeniably great) moments for the Redskins but in all he only played 16 games for us and most of it was a rather average career here. I think some think he was a stud for years on end here All-time Underrated: Mark Rypien. He was a pretty solid QB for more than just that 1991 season. Current overrated: Really tempted to say Roy Helu. He's one of my favorite players on the team, but overall he's not as awesome/the game changer that we'd like to believe. Current Underrated: Not sure Josh Morgan gets enough love for all the little things he does. Also think Chris Chester is a bit underrated __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

06-18-2013, 11:20 PM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Overrated/Underrated Redskins I thought overrated like when people look back on their careers. Not what they were expected to be when drafted __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

06-18-2013, 11:21 PM	#5
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Overrated/Underrated Redskins All time overrated-Lavar Arrington.. I had huge hopes for him as a Redskin, kept waiting for him to become a beast and he never fully did. I wanted him to be our LT but instead he was a very good but not great player. All time underrated-Monte Coleman.. Huge part of our SB teams but doesn't seem to get the legendary respect that is reserved for bigger names. He wasn't Hall of Fame caliber but he was the heart and soul of many teams. Current overrated-I've got to agree with SS on Helu. Dude has zero vision as a running back. I was watching the Saints game again recently and he had a stretch play blocked beautifully for him to get to the edge and down the sideline. He cut inside, tripped over Young (who had a great seal block) and fell down for a 3 yard gain. I wish he had a fraction of the vision that Morris and Royster possess but I think he will be a disappointment as a Redskin. Current Underrated-Garcon and Morgan. They don't have the draft pedigree or contracts of the other WR groups in our division, but for our system, I like them as much as any. Garcon showed an array of skills last year and you can't argue with 9-2 when he starts the game. Morgan got off on a bad note with the Rams debacle but he was our most consistent WR last year in terms of moving the chains and catching the ball. A healthy offseason and he could break out this fall. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

06-19-2013, 12:06 AM	#7
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Overrated/Underrated Redskins Overrated (with Skins anyway): Dana Stubblefield Underrated: Rich Milot or Roy Jefferson Current overrated: DeAngelo Hall Current underrated: Perry Riley __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

06-19-2013, 03:45 AM	#9
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,348	Re: Overrated/Underrated Redskins Overrated: Niles Paul (apparently some people think that good hits in special teams make up for his inability to catch the ball) Underrated: Josh Morgan (As SS said, all the little things he does are not noticed by the average fan) __________________ R.I.P. #21

06-19-2013, 04:26 AM	#10
The Dull Roar Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 127	Re: Overrated/Underrated Redskins Overrated: Chase Minnifield I've heard a lot of people rave about how good of a player Chase will be this year because they've heard about how much the coaches loved him during last years training camp. But given the micro-fracture injury and torn acl being coupled with his less than ideal measurements, I just don't believe he has much of a shot of making the 53 man roster. Underrated: Brandon Meriweather I know this might be a slightly controversial one to say as the most underrated player currently on the team but I think Meriweather is a huge asset to our defense. He fits the defensive scheme perfectly because he great in the box (especially if it comes to blitzing from the strong safety position). A prime example of Meriweather coming in and really making a difference for our defense immediately was the first eagles game last year. In that one quarter or two he was a prime reason why our defense actually looked competent. If he can stay healthy, he will be a big upgrade for our struggling defense this year.

06-19-2013, 11:15 AM	#13
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Overrated/Underrated Redskins All time overrated: Gonna go with the Arrington crowd. He played to the crowd and bought into his own hype but he just never played anywhere near his ability. Imagine L.A. with Fletcher's work ethic and professionalism - not THAT would have been a beastly player. All time (since the mid 70's) underrated : Tough, so many good solid guys. Harald McClinton, Brig Owens, Brad Dusek, Clint Didier, Milot, Olkewicz, Mayhew, Byner, Brad Edwards, Ken Harvey, Terry Allen ... Ultimately, I think I go with Olkewicz. Ten year career, mainstay of the Gibbs era defenses, run stuffer extraordinare, did most of the things Fletcher does(not the clear leader Fletcher is) without as much recognition as Fletch gets. Current over rated: Merriweather. He has played one game for us and been cut by two teams. Until the draft, most here seem to assume he would be a difference maker in the defensive backfield. Maybe, but let's see him stay on the field for more than a game. Current under rated: Again, a lot to choose from but for me it's one of three - Young, Cofield or Morgan. Going to go with Cofield only b/c the other two have already been mentioned. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

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