Final Say on Personnel

SmootSmack · 03-16-2005, 12:56 AM

This has been an oft-discussed topic in our threads so I thought I'd give it its proper due and give it its own thread. Who should have the final say on personnel for the Redskins?

Dan Snyder-Ultimately he's the one who signs the checks

Joe Gibbs-He is the president of the team, it's his gameplan that will be used on game days so why not the players he feels are best for that

Vinny Cerrato-He is the player personnel director and he has experience as a talent evaluator

Someone else-This is where it gets tricky. People have no problem saying "we need a general manager" but what does that mean? Many teams don't have "general managers" per se. What would the GM's role here be exactly and how would that affect the chain of command?

saden1 · 03-16-2005, 01:16 AM

Snyder owns the team and likes to have his little tiny hands in everything so he gets my vote.

Big C · 03-16-2005, 02:04 AM

gibbs since he has the rings, and hes the one using the players in his system. i also think williams should have the final say on defensive players, or at least a large say since he runs the defense totally

skinsfanthru&thru · 03-16-2005, 02:05 AM

Snyder signs the checks, but from previous flops of free agent signings and players he's practically chased out of town, he don't know squaduch about finding the less flashy signings and having them pay off. Until last year none of our free agent signings, especially on the defensive side, have really paid off but I'd give as much, if not more, credit to Williams than Gibbs for that. And while I trust most of how Gibbs will handle contracts and finding good solid players to fit in the system, he's shown that he too can get too enamored with a player, ie brunnel, and shouldn't be worrying as much about personel and contracts like he is now. I feel a GM would not only help in the addition of solid talents with the chance of them becoming good to great players, but it would also allow Gibbs to focus primarily on adjusting his offense to now a days game and lift some of the stress off of his shoulders. and we all know how important Gibbs staying healthy is to the future of the team.

Daseal · 03-16-2005, 02:47 AM

Coaches make bad GMs. Let's get someone new in here to deal with personel.

aehs77 · 03-16-2005, 05:31 AM

i would love to say gibbs hands down. But snyder signs the checks.

AndySkinUK · 03-16-2005, 07:35 AM

We badly need a GM.

Gibbs is a great coach, but the coach/president combination just doesnt work. Let Gibbs concentrate on the coaching.

What about trading Gardner to the Texans for Casserly and getting him back just like the glory days!

CRT3 · 03-16-2005, 08:00 AM

Just face the facts Dan is the owner and that will not change. He will always have the final decesion as he is head of the ship.

backrow · 03-16-2005, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRT3

Just face the facts Dan is the owner and that will not change. He will always have the final decesion as he is head of the ship.

LDS Baby! No Doubt! He listens to HOF Coach Gibbs and cousinvinnie, but ultimately, it's his decision to make!

That is why there is a Redskins 1, and why the Redskins are truly the richest, most expensive NFL Franchise, and why LDS got into ownership in the first place! He just loves his Football Fantasies! How many of the rest of us even have a Redskins beltbuckle, anyway?

Besides, as a Cancer survivor, you have to give him his props! Never underestimate LDS, either! After all he is closer to the ground than you are since he is barely 5 ft. tall!

rickmmrr · 03-16-2005, 08:42 AM

We need a GM. Let the coach Coach. Get snyder away from football decisions.

FRPLG · 03-16-2005, 09:17 AM

Speaking purely pragmatically this Snyder's team and if he wants to sign a bunch of clowns he can and should. From a football point of view he needs to take a step back and remove himself from the situation some more. From what I have read he has passed the phase where he gives input and tries to sign big names and ahs moved on to letting Vinny be his eyes and ears and allows Vinny to enlighten him. Pretty much he reflects what Vinny thinks now. He trusts Cerrato's opinions and finally realizes he doesn't know what he is doing but he still is involved because he just mimics what Vinny thinks. I am hoping Gibbs' aura reigns that in a bit. It look slike it alreadt has this offseason a little.

SantanaMan · 03-16-2005, 09:45 AM

The Gibbs-Snyder-Cerrato trifecta worked pretty well last year (bar the one obvious mess-up in Brunell), we brought in Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Cornelius Griffin, Walt Harris, we drafted Sean taylor, etc among other deals so all in all we did very well in personnel decisions.
I have faith that the same 3 will again produce the goods in the upcoming draft and whatever remaining FA moves we may do.
The Coles Saga was obviously not handled as well as it could have been, but you live and learn - in my opinion we would have been better off fascilitating Coles release (along with his forfeiting the $5M bonus) and using the cap room to sign a replacement via FA than the way that it did occour.
But whats done is done, plus we got Santana Moss out of it so it isn't all bad!!!

BrudLee · 03-16-2005, 10:13 AM

I put someone else, but it has more to do with the structure of the decision mnaking process than the principals involved. I think Snyder can be the final arbiter, but not if he's involved in the early decision making.

If Gibbs decided he wants a player but Cerrato doesn't think he fits the financial picture (or vice versa), they should go to Snyder and each state their case. The check-signer then makes the call. My fear is that it works the other way around - where Snyder gets hopped up about a player/name, and runs to Gibbs and Cerrato and says "Make this work."

MTK · 03-16-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SantanaMan

The Gibbs-Snyder-Cerrato trifecta worked pretty well last year (bar the one obvious mess-up in Brunell), we brought in Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Cornelius Griffin, Walt Harris, we drafted Sean taylor, etc among other deals so all in all we did very well in personnel decisions.
I have faith that the same 3 will again produce the goods in the upcoming draft and whatever remaining FA moves we may do.
The Coles Saga was obviously not handled as well as it could have been, but you live and learn - in my opinion we would have been better off fascilitating Coles release (along with his forfeiting the $5M bonus) and using the cap room to sign a replacement via FA than the way that it did occour.
But whats done is done, plus we got Santana Moss out of it so it isn't all bad!!!

I agree, personnel decisions were pretty damn good last year.

As for this offseason, I'll reserve my final judgement until next year at this time.

Monksdown · 03-16-2005, 01:46 PM

I want Casserly back. Cant Danny boy bribe him away from Texas?

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Someone New	29	38.16%
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03-16-2005, 12:56 AM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Final Say on Personnel This has been an oft-discussed topic in our threads so I thought I'd give it its proper due and give it its own thread. Who should have the final say on personnel for the Redskins? Dan Snyder-Ultimately he's the one who signs the checks Joe Gibbs-He is the president of the team, it's his gameplan that will be used on game days so why not the players he feels are best for that Vinny Cerrato-He is the player personnel director and he has experience as a talent evaluator Someone else-This is where it gets tricky. People have no problem saying "we need a general manager" but what does that mean? Many teams don't have "general managers" per se. What would the GM's role here be exactly and how would that affect the chain of command? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-16-2005, 01:16 AM	#2
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Final Say on Personnel Snyder owns the team and likes to have his little tiny hands in everything so he gets my vote.

03-16-2005, 02:04 AM	#3
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Final Say on Personnel gibbs since he has the rings, and hes the one using the players in his system. i also think williams should have the final say on defensive players, or at least a large say since he runs the defense totally __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-16-2005, 02:05 AM	#4
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	Re: Final Say on Personnel Snyder signs the checks, but from previous flops of free agent signings and players he's practically chased out of town, he don't know squaduch about finding the less flashy signings and having them pay off. Until last year none of our free agent signings, especially on the defensive side, have really paid off but I'd give as much, if not more, credit to Williams than Gibbs for that. And while I trust most of how Gibbs will handle contracts and finding good solid players to fit in the system, he's shown that he too can get too enamored with a player, ie brunnel, and shouldn't be worrying as much about personel and contracts like he is now. I feel a GM would not only help in the addition of solid talents with the chance of them becoming good to great players, but it would also allow Gibbs to focus primarily on adjusting his offense to now a days game and lift some of the stress off of his shoulders. and we all know how important Gibbs staying healthy is to the future of the team.

03-16-2005, 02:47 AM	#5
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Final Say on Personnel Coaches make bad GMs. Let's get someone new in here to deal with personel.

03-16-2005, 05:31 AM	#6
aehs77 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: silver spring Age: 39 Posts: 486	Re: Final Say on Personnel i would love to say gibbs hands down. But snyder signs the checks.

03-16-2005, 07:35 AM	#7
AndySkinUK Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Age: 51 Posts: 44	Re: Final Say on Personnel We badly need a GM. Gibbs is a great coach, but the coach/president combination just doesnt work. Let Gibbs concentrate on the coaching. What about trading Gardner to the Texans for Casserly and getting him back just like the glory days! __________________ Don't Panic

03-16-2005, 08:00 AM	#8
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 61 Posts: 795	Re: Final Say on Personnel Just face the facts Dan is the owner and that will not change. He will always have the final decesion as he is head of the ship. __________________ 16-0 for 2007

03-16-2005, 08:42 AM	#10
rickmmrr Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 395	Re: Final Say on Personnel We need a GM. Let the coach Coach. Get snyder away from football decisions.

03-16-2005, 09:17 AM	#11
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Final Say on Personnel Speaking purely pragmatically this Snyder's team and if he wants to sign a bunch of clowns he can and should. From a football point of view he needs to take a step back and remove himself from the situation some more. From what I have read he has passed the phase where he gives input and tries to sign big names and ahs moved on to letting Vinny be his eyes and ears and allows Vinny to enlighten him. Pretty much he reflects what Vinny thinks now. He trusts Cerrato's opinions and finally realizes he doesn't know what he is doing but he still is involved because he just mimics what Vinny thinks. I am hoping Gibbs' aura reigns that in a bit. It look slike it alreadt has this offseason a little.

03-16-2005, 09:45 AM	#12
SantanaMan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 224	Re: Final Say on Personnel The Gibbs-Snyder-Cerrato trifecta worked pretty well last year (bar the one obvious mess-up in Brunell), we brought in Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Cornelius Griffin, Walt Harris, we drafted Sean taylor, etc among other deals so all in all we did very well in personnel decisions. I have faith that the same 3 will again produce the goods in the upcoming draft and whatever remaining FA moves we may do. The Coles Saga was obviously not handled as well as it could have been, but you live and learn - in my opinion we would have been better off fascilitating Coles release (along with his forfeiting the $5M bonus) and using the cap room to sign a replacement via FA than the way that it did occour. But whats done is done, plus we got Santana Moss out of it so it isn't all bad!!!

03-16-2005, 10:13 AM	#13
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Final Say on Personnel I put someone else, but it has more to do with the structure of the decision mnaking process than the principals involved. I think Snyder can be the final arbiter, but not if he's involved in the early decision making. If Gibbs decided he wants a player but Cerrato doesn't think he fits the financial picture (or vice versa), they should go to Snyder and each state their case. The check-signer then makes the call. My fear is that it works the other way around - where Snyder gets hopped up about a player/name, and runs to Gibbs and Cerrato and says "Make this work." __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

03-16-2005, 01:46 PM	#15
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 1,515	Re: Final Say on Personnel I want Casserly back. Cant Danny boy bribe him away from Texas?

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