NFL offseason 1.0 thread

[mooby]

With an estimated 2000 days remaining until preseason starts, I'll lead off with this junk:

Tony Dungy says Indianapolis Colts stole signals but didn't cheat

As much as I dislike Dungy he's right. Every team looks for every competitive advantage they can. It's why I don't put as much stock into Spygate/etc. We'd be silly to think the Redskins haven't tried to skirt the rules at some point in history. The difference is this kind of stuff usually stays in house, and the public only gets outraged when it leaks.

[Alvin Walton]

I got better junk than that.

Redskins hire Torrian Gray from U of Florida as DBs coach

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by mooby

With an estimated 2000 days remaining until preseason starts, I'll lead off with this junk:

Tony Dungy says Indianapolis Colts stole signals but didn't cheat

As much as I dislike Dungy he's right. Every team looks for every competitive advantage they can. It's why I don't put as much stock into Spygate/etc. We'd be silly to think the Redskins haven't tried to skirt the rules at some point in history. The difference is this kind of stuff usually stays in house, and the public only gets outraged when it leaks.

disagree . . . cheating is cheating . . . tis BS

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

disagree . . . cheating is cheating . . . tis BS

I know my opinion isn't the popular one, and I agree you should always respect the rules of the game. But if there's a loophole I expect teams to exploit it until it gets shut down. The margin between winning and losing is so thin that teams will look for every single advantage they can get.

If you were standing on defense and you watched the opposing coach put out signs to his players and you knew what those signs meant, you wouldn't try to watch him to keep the integrity of the game? I'd be in film study 8 days a week looking for every single advantage I can get.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I got better junk than that.

Redskins hire Torrian Gray from U of Florida as DBs coach

That is some good junk but we already discussed that in the billion Redskins threads we have already going. I made this thread for discussing what's going on with the rest of the NFL.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by mooby

With an estimated 2000 days remaining until preseason starts, I'll lead off with this junk:

Tony Dungy says Indianapolis Colts stole signals but didn't cheat

As much as I dislike Dungy he's right. Every team looks for every competitive advantage they can. It's why I don't put as much stock into Spygate/etc. We'd be silly to think the Redskins haven't tried to skirt the rules at some point in history. The difference is this kind of stuff usually stays in house, and the public only gets outraged when it leaks.

Maybe Michael Vick should counsel him about it.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

I know my opinion isn't the popular one, and I agree you should always respect the rules of the game. But if there's a loophole I expect teams to exploit it until it gets shut down. The margin between winning and losing is so thin that teams will look for every single advantage they can get.

If you were standing on defense and you watched the opposing coach put out signs to his players and you knew what those signs meant, you wouldn't try to watch him to keep the integrity of the game? I'd be in film study 8 days a week looking for every single advantage I can get.

Your opinion is alot more popular than you think.All teams in all sports try to get the competitive advantage ...it's part of the game.To your example ,from the time I was in little league my coachs have been watching other teams to see if they can guess what is going to happen by watching ther signals or signs be it in baseball or football.Deception and anticapation are part of the game.

[TheGuyFromOverThere]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Your opinion is alot more popular than you think.All teams in all sports try to get the competitive advantage ...it's part of the game.To your example ,from the time I was in little league my coachs have been watching other teams to see if they can guess what is going to happen by watching ther signals or signs be it in baseball or football.Deception and anticapation are part of the game.

I fully agree. In our amateur football league we had one team that used large signs with icons to give the QB the next play - same icons for the same plays all year long. We played them in the final game of the season for the championship. Well... let´s see our defense wasn´t very suprised by their playcalling.

[Alvin Walton]

When will teams start cutting players?
My wife is a big Bears fan so we're interested in seeing what happens to Jay Cutler.

[calia]

Originally Posted by TheGuyFromOverThere

I fully agree. In our amateur football league we had one team that used large signs with icons to give the QB the next play - same icons for the same plays all year long. We played them in the final game of the season for the championship. Well... let´s see our defense wasn´t very suprised by their playcalling.

Did you win? You can't leave us hanging on that.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

When will teams start cutting players?
My wife is a big Bears fan so we're interested in seeing what happens to Jay Cutler.

Whatever happens, it will involve sulking.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Your opinion is alot more popular than you think.All teams in all sports try to get the competitive advantage ...it's part of the game.To your example ,from the time I was in little league my coachs have been watching other teams to see if they can guess what is going to happen by watching ther signals or signs be it in baseball or football.Deception and anticapation are part of the game.

Agreed.

I really don't see how it can be considered cheating if you know you're being filmed (which is obviously the case in a game. Practice is different, you're supposed to be safe).

It would be stupidity at its finest for a team NOT to the study the opponent's signals...

That's why every team in every sport at any level tries to crypt its signals.

When I was 12, playing rugby, we had a "code", I would tell a really long number and the last digit would be the only one that matters, telling which player would get the ball on a lineout.
If I made it too obvious, like "two thousand six hundred and fiftyyy... THREE", which I sometimes did, the opponents would understand the "code"... and it was my fault, not their.

I also remember a practice, when I played football, when our coach spotted a player from an other team in the bleachers, with his smartphone in hands.
Instead of throwing him out, he discreetly asked us to do some BS plays that didn't exist on our playbook. (Like he asked our DLs to do some funny stunts, jumping above one another).

He made them study plays that we wouldn't use. Smart.

[JPPT1974]

Yeah as really can't wait for the NFL Draft. As it ought to be a dandy. Yeah cheating is that.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Your opinion is alot more popular than you think.All teams in all sports try to get the competitive advantage ...it's part of the game.To your example ,from the time I was in little league my coachs have been watching other teams to see if they can guess what is going to happen by watching ther signals or signs be it in baseball or football.Deception and anticapation are part of the game.

doesn't mean you shouldn't be punished for it when you get caught . . . don't do the crime if you are not willing to do the time

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

doesn't mean you shouldn't be punished for it when you get caught . . . don't do the crime if you are not willing to do the time

I think a difference has to be made between filming a team practice, which is cheating, and studying signals made during a game, that the whole world saw, which is just smart.