Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-01-2005, 10:51 PM

Rumors are spreading like wildfire in Texas that the Cowboys may cut La'Roi Glover and/or Greg Ellis. Sounds crazy? Well, the Cowboys just signed DT Jason Ferguson, drafted DT/DE Marcus Spears, and drafted DE DeMarcus Ware. Moreover, the Cowboys are shifting to a 3-4 defense and with the pricey Ellis and Glover already on the roster, the additions of Spears, Ware, and Ferguson may spell the end of one of either Glover or Ellis' careers in Dallas.

Rumors coming out of Fox Sports News (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67043), Cowboys blogs (granted, they're just blogs) and Profootballtalk.com (not exactly a shining example of journalism) indicate that one or both Glover and Ellis will be cut. These rumors, are bolstered by the above-referenced signings. Moreover, a 3-4 defense requires a big NT and Glover is more of a pass-rushing, tweaner DT at just 280 pounds. Considering that Glover is scheduled to earn a salary of $4.7 million (for a $6 million cap figure) and has gone to the Pro Bowl the past five seasons, it's unlikely that the team could afford or Glover would tolerate him sitting on the bench.

My question therefore is, do we go after either Ellis or Glover if they are cut? They won't come cheap (which will likely mean cutting someone we don't want to lose) and they're getting old. But, they're studs.

As tempting as I find it, I don't think we should sign them due to their cost/age. What do you guys think?

sportscurmudgeon · 06-01-2005, 11:11 PM

This is an economics question more than anything else. Glover is a better DT than anyone on the Skins' roster at the moment - including Cornelius Griffin. Ellis is at least as good as - and probably better than any DE on the roster.

But to sign them - and the draft picks - will mean cutting a bunch of other folks on the roster. To make room for Glover and a fat signing bonus and salary, you will have to cut more than some free agent signee who was brought in as training camp cannon fodder.

So, the coaching staff/front office mavens need to figure out the economics of this situation and see if they can afford to try to get these guys into the fold and who will have to be jettisoned in order to make room for them.

I suspect it will not be an easy fit, but until I knew the economics and the cap implications, I couldn't ignore two guys both of whom would upgrde the DL.

Tough call in my mind...

BigSKINBauer · 06-01-2005, 11:12 PM

yeah that would be great but i don't think we can afford it, but if we do man what a defense, unstoppable.

I would like to adress offense if we can afford it!, one dominant player on o-line is what i want, 3-4 probowlers if we get another O-lineman to take the inside job. that would make the offseason a success in my eyes

Does anyone know the range the cap will be at after cuts and signing players. I know no one KNOWS but just an idea. are we under allittle or over alot?

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-01-2005, 11:15 PM

I think this would be an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" situation. I think that Ellis at DE might come cheaper than Glover. If it happens, I say we proceed with caution and give them the same deal we gave every other free agent. Lay down some groundwork and let them pick.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-01-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

This is an economics question more than anything else. Glover is a better DT than anyone on the Skins' roster at the moment - including Cornelius Griffin. Ellis is at least as good as - and probably better than any DE on the roster.

But to sign them - and the draft picks - will mean cutting a bunch of other folks on the roster. To make room for Glover and a fat signing bonus and salary, you will have to cut more than some free agent signee who was brought in as training camp cannon fodder.

So, the coaching staff/front office mavens need to figure out the economics of this situation and see if they can afford to try to get these guys into the fold and who will have to be jettisoned in order to make room for them.

I suspect it will not be an easy fit, but until I knew the economics and the cap implications, I couldn't ignore two guys both of whom would upgrde the DL.

Tough call in my mind...

I feel exactly the same. Ellis or Glover would be studs next to Griffin and Griffin might become even more ferocious if he had decent company. It's a shame we can't upgrade the D-line because our backs are up against the cap. I can't envision the capologists coming up with a solution. Oh well.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-01-2005, 11:15 PM

NOW who wants to cut Bowen?

SmootSmack · 06-01-2005, 11:21 PM

Interesting, I was thinking of starting a similar thread but with Simeon Rice ($10 million) and Anthony McFarland ($4 million)

Again, as has already been mentioned here it's more a business question than a football question at this point

MTK · 06-01-2005, 11:24 PM

Adding Glover would give us a nasty pair of DTs, and Ellis would easily be our top DE.

If either or both become available, I'd think the Redskins would have to give them a long, hard look.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-01-2005, 11:25 PM

If Canuck is around, do you think that cutting Gardner, Bowen and Morton would give us enough possible room for either/or?

MTK · 06-01-2005, 11:26 PM

With the way deals are backloaded it wouldn't cost us much this year for one of these guys.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-01-2005, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

With the way deals are backloaded it wouldn't cost us much this year for one of these guys.

True, but what would it cost us in the future? I'd love to get either one of them, but I don't want to break the bank for a Cowboy.

skinsfanthru&thru · 06-01-2005, 11:35 PM

I don't like the idea of long time cowpies joining the team but it's hard to deny either guy, especially glover, would be a pretty decent upgrade and addition to the d-line rotation if the price is right.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-01-2005, 11:56 PM

The problem is, there is no reason for Glover or Ellis to sign a cheap, short-term, or incentive-based deal. They're still young enough (if somewhat long in the tooth) to get monster deals and they know it. They put up big numbers and play big as well. Plus, pass-rushing D-linemen are among the highest paid players. Someone will pick them up for 5+ years and Glover will get at least an $7 million signing bonus.

Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor · 06-02-2005, 12:01 AM

if we would get somebody i wish it was simeon rice or glover. if we are going to sacrifice our money it better damn be worth it. i know that we don't have the money but we can cut some players to make room lik barrow,gardner,morton,hall,bowen and probably mccants--i will like mccants though, but anything to get us to the playoffs.

firstdown · 06-02-2005, 11:03 AM

We need to save any money we may have left and spend it on any upgrade we can do for our offense. If I remember correctly that was our problem last year. I don't know which position we could up grade now but that should be were we look if we are thinking about spending any more money.

06-01-2005, 10:51 PM	#1
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis Rumors are spreading like wildfire in Texas that the Cowboys may cut La'Roi Glover and/or Greg Ellis. Sounds crazy? Well, the Cowboys just signed DT Jason Ferguson, drafted DT/DE Marcus Spears, and drafted DE DeMarcus Ware. Moreover, the Cowboys are shifting to a 3-4 defense and with the pricey Ellis and Glover already on the roster, the additions of Spears, Ware, and Ferguson may spell the end of one of either Glover or Ellis' careers in Dallas. Rumors coming out of Fox Sports News (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67043), Cowboys blogs (granted, they're just blogs) and Profootballtalk.com (not exactly a shining example of journalism) indicate that one or both Glover and Ellis will be cut. These rumors, are bolstered by the above-referenced signings. Moreover, a 3-4 defense requires a big NT and Glover is more of a pass-rushing, tweaner DT at just 280 pounds. Considering that Glover is scheduled to earn a salary of $4.7 million (for a $6 million cap figure) and has gone to the Pro Bowl the past five seasons, it's unlikely that the team could afford or Glover would tolerate him sitting on the bench. My question therefore is, do we go after either Ellis or Glover if they are cut? They won't come cheap (which will likely mean cutting someone we don't want to lose) and they're getting old. But, they're studs. As tempting as I find it, I don't think we should sign them due to their cost/age. What do you guys think?

06-01-2005, 11:11 PM	#2
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis This is an economics question more than anything else. Glover is a better DT than anyone on the Skins' roster at the moment - including Cornelius Griffin. Ellis is at least as good as - and probably better than any DE on the roster. But to sign them - and the draft picks - will mean cutting a bunch of other folks on the roster. To make room for Glover and a fat signing bonus and salary, you will have to cut more than some free agent signee who was brought in as training camp cannon fodder. So, the coaching staff/front office mavens need to figure out the economics of this situation and see if they can afford to try to get these guys into the fold and who will have to be jettisoned in order to make room for them. I suspect it will not be an easy fit, but until I knew the economics and the cap implications, I couldn't ignore two guys both of whom would upgrde the DL. Tough call in my mind... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

06-01-2005, 11:12 PM	#3
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis yeah that would be great but i don't think we can afford it, but if we do man what a defense, unstoppable. I would like to adress offense if we can afford it!, one dominant player on o-line is what i want, 3-4 probowlers if we get another O-lineman to take the inside job. that would make the offseason a success in my eyes Does anyone know the range the cap will be at after cuts and signing players. I know no one KNOWS but just an idea. are we under allittle or over alot?

06-01-2005, 11:15 PM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis I think this would be an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" situation. I think that Ellis at DE might come cheaper than Glover. If it happens, I say we proceed with caution and give them the same deal we gave every other free agent. Lay down some groundwork and let them pick. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-01-2005, 11:15 PM	#6
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis NOW who wants to cut Bowen? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-01-2005, 11:21 PM	#7
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis Interesting, I was thinking of starting a similar thread but with Simeon Rice ($10 million) and Anthony McFarland ($4 million) Again, as has already been mentioned here it's more a business question than a football question at this point __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

06-01-2005, 11:24 PM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis Adding Glover would give us a nasty pair of DTs, and Ellis would easily be our top DE. If either or both become available, I'd think the Redskins would have to give them a long, hard look. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-01-2005, 11:25 PM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis If Canuck is around, do you think that cutting Gardner, Bowen and Morton would give us enough possible room for either/or? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-01-2005, 11:26 PM	#10
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis With the way deals are backloaded it wouldn't cost us much this year for one of these guys. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-01-2005, 11:35 PM	#12
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis I don't like the idea of long time cowpies joining the team but it's hard to deny either guy, especially glover, would be a pretty decent upgrade and addition to the d-line rotation if the price is right.

06-01-2005, 11:56 PM	#13
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis The problem is, there is no reason for Glover or Ellis to sign a cheap, short-term, or incentive-based deal. They're still young enough (if somewhat long in the tooth) to get monster deals and they know it. They put up big numbers and play big as well. Plus, pass-rushing D-linemen are among the highest paid players. Someone will pick them up for 5+ years and Glover will get at least an $7 million signing bonus.

06-02-2005, 12:01 AM	#14
Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Village, NY Age: 44 Posts: 349	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis if we would get somebody i wish it was simeon rice or glover. if we are going to sacrifice our money it better damn be worth it. i know that we don't have the money but we can cut some players to make room lik barrow,gardner,morton,hall,bowen and probably mccants--i will like mccants though, but anything to get us to the playoffs.

06-02-2005, 11:03 AM	#15
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Cowboys May Cut DT Glover and/or DE Ellis We need to save any money we may have left and spend it on any upgrade we can do for our offense. If I remember correctly that was our problem last year. I don't know which position we could up grade now but that should be were we look if we are thinking about spending any more money.

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