King predicts Haynesworth to Redskins

[That Guy]

I hate quote wars, it's a waste of time, but obviously we're talking past each other. Hopefully this helps articulate what didn't get through the first time.

The last point is the important one.

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

I never suggested that the skins should address only one of their issues, and I never called anyone an idiot.

so am i paranoid, myopic, or just a casual fan? and this doesn't serve to devalue opinions that don't match your own? cause that's the way it reads.

My initial response was obviously that of a frustrated one. I am tired of pseudo-fans regurgitating and repeating what the talking heads say. This is why it's a copy-cat league, most people can't think for themselves. The "popular" thing to say about Randy Moss prior to going to the Pats was that he had character issues. No he didn't and neither does Haynesworth.

I didn't... I'm trying to look up the post now, but I believe I said it was the steal of the draft or of the year and that he absolutely DID NOT have character issues. It's just that football is just a job to him, and if he could he'd spend his time smoking weed and fishing on his boat. I mean, he lives in a retirement community and his neighbors have never had a complaint. and the pats got a crazy deal on his salary too. so I'm not sure where that was "popular" to say, but i really don't remember that here.

You probably should have read my post in it's entirety. If we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks?

you should probably pay more attention when reading mine, i said draft picks AND cheap FAs to replace lost talent... cheap FAs don't always work out so well either.

I assure you I know how many draft picks we have, and I'm also well aware that we don't draft all that well.

At what point did I say offense is irrelevant? I only made a completely logical argument as to why elite defensive linemen are important and showed exactly why with the last two superbowl winners.

If there is no cap next year, then why worry about a players salary? Also, I noted in my post that an elite, blue chip DT can improve an entire Defense, never did I propose that this player alone would solve all of our woes.

well, if we're barely under the cap, and we have to cut players to get him in here (30% rule if we're going to assume no new CBA, which i think is a HUGE assumption until it's actually announced as such, despite local objections). that would completely rule out helping the offense and cutting players without getting adequate replacements.

30mill sb, 96mill/6year deal (5 year proration of SB and 30% rule in effect)

Year    2009    2010    2011    2012    2013    2014
SB        6        6       6       6       6       0
Salary   5.2     6.8     8.8    11.4    14.8    19.3

that means 11mill to get him in the door at asking price. If that's the plan, where does Hall's contract come in to play? why would we be talking with chris canty? we probably would have to ditch any notion of doing much to improve the OL too. With daniels, griffin, springs, taylor, and rabach gone you have ~22mill to work with (and marcus's money for the rookie pool) including emergencies, replacements, our current RFA/UFAs, outside FAs, etc.

so, let's keep rabach, since there's no cheap alternative and assume haynesworth is signed. ~22 - 2.4 - 11.2 = 8.4. if you want to sign hall too with the 30% rule, and he wants 15mill sb/5years, that's another 6mill gone, and your offseason is already done. you'll probably lose evans or daniels, canty is out, and you've still got a crap OL, no added depth, a huge hole at OLB, and no money to sign offensive help like a bobby engram, a kicker, or a punter.

Not to mention you probably can't get kendall, fabini, montgomery and golston all back at vet min either... AND you need to count 460k for each or those cuts above for their vet min replacements, bringing that 2.4mill down to under 1mill. So, despite local objections, I like Haynesworth a lot, BUT NOT at that price.

That's why I asked if he was the missing piece, because, with our structure as is, that'd be our offseason. If you're talking about getting him, watching a CBA get nuked and having him for the uncapped years, that's a HUGE gamble, but at least you're cutting players that weren't staying here long anyways. It'd be a rough year with less than 0 depth though in 2009.


if I screwed something up, let me know, but I'm pretty sure the uncapped money structure is even worse than the capped version (for 2009) where you just assume he'll get lazy or hurt.