Looking at the draft.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

How do you see the fit?

Baker is your classic West Coast Offense QB. Quick release. Athleticism. Quick decision maker. Accurate. Not the biggest arm...but enough. Although OU's system doesn't have a lot on NFL concepts Baker is uber productive and efficient within the offense. He executes the gameplan the coach calls at a high level.

The fit for/with Jay is because Baker plays with confidence, moxie and makes plays. Baker's playmaking is an aspect the offense has been missing.

So, if Cousins is a proven Baker, why take the risk? Just pay the dude.

I don't view them as similar. And I think Cousins will be gone.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

I actually prefer Josh Allen to Baker Mayfield. Grudens system requires a disciplined QB that reads progressions and i credit a lot of Mayfields success to his supporting cast members.
Mayfield does have the ability to work off script, but he has a weak arm and his long ball is suspect.

If you have a bias against spread QB prospects then your gonna have issues with Baker. I have no issues with spread QBs. Too many have been successful that it doesn't matter to me.

No doubt that Allen plays in a more 'pro-style' offense and will be more 'pro-ready'. But, from the cut-ups I've watched of Allen he's been scattershot and inconsistent with his accuracy. I think he should be more productive and efficient being the big man in his little conference. From a production standpoint he doesn't even match up to Brett Smith. And Allen plays with quite a bit of adlib himself...its actually one of the positives I like about Allen's game. He can move, and has a freakin hand cannon. But, he's raw.

When I look at the college prospects I chart games. The surrounding talent or lack of talent doesn't really impact my grading. If you're doing some statistical regression/projection then his cast will matter. But, I'm not.
And the supporting cast argument is another imho generic knock that gets tossed around that doesn't hold much weight. If you're the QB for a good program you're gonna play with talent. And not all QBs on good teams are even pro prospects. I think I even recall hearing the supporting cast knock against Watson.

Weak arm? Definitely disagree there.


Suspect long ball? Again completely disagree. Actually iirc he's near the top of PFF's charting when it comes to deep ball accuracy.

Also I think Baker will be around towards the bottom of the 1st maybe even top of the 2nd. Being short and playing in the spread should be enough to keep him in that range.

Lets also talk about his antics and who knows how much willingness he has to be tamed, disciplined and developed into a pro ready QB?

I have no clue. I don't even get into off the field stuff when I look at draft prospects. There is no way for me to have any clue. Guy could be a complete turd or he could just be a fun loving college kid. I went to College Park, i'm not judging anybody. I know a successful upstanding citizen that once kick in the window of car because it had a Duke sticker on it but he was 20 y/o then. Any of these prospects could be a turd/or not. I don't know.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Give me Roquan Smith. Him and Zach Brown flying around sounds amazballs.

[Chico23231]

Really interested to see if the Georgia RBs can have success against the Bama defense. Both these guys are 1-2nd round guys. I like Chubb.

That Alabama DT Da'ron Payne showed his ass against Clemson with some big plays. Eager to see how he plays tonight.

^SDskins, I think Roquan Smith is a lil over rated. I also think that DT from Washington that everyone loves is as well.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 30gut

If you have a bias against spread QB prospects then your gonna have issues with Baker. I have no issues with spread QBs. Too many have been successful that it doesn't matter to me.

No doubt that Allen plays in a more 'pro-style' offense and will be more 'pro-ready'. But, from the cut-ups I've watched of Allen he's been scattershot and inconsistent with his accuracy. I think he should be more productive and efficient being the big man in his little conference. From a production standpoint he doesn't even match up to Brett Smith. And Allen plays with quite a bit of adlib himself...its actually one of the positives I like about Allen's game. He can move, and has a freakin hand cannon. But, he's raw.

When I look at the college prospects I chart games. The surrounding talent or lack of talent doesn't really impact my grading. If you're doing some statistical regression/projection then his cast will matter. But, I'm not.
And the supporting cast argument is another imho generic knock that gets tossed around that doesn't hold much weight. If you're the QB for a good program you're gonna play with talent. And not all QBs on good teams are even pro prospects. I think I even recall hearing the supporting cast knock against Watson.

Weak arm? Definitely disagree there.


Suspect long ball? Again completely disagree. Actually iirc he's near the top of PFF's charting when it comes to deep ball accuracy.

Also I think Baker will be around towards the bottom of the 1st maybe even top of the 2nd. Being short and playing in the spread should be enough to keep him in that range.

I have no clue. I don't even get into off the field stuff when I look at draft prospects. There is no way for me to have any clue. Guy could be a complete turd or he could just be a fun loving college kid. I went to College Park, i'm not judging anybody. I know a successful upstanding citizen that once kick in the window of car because it had a Duke sticker on it but he was 20 y/o then. Any of these prospects could be a turd/or not. I don't know.

Yeah Baker has a good arm, I didn't get that either lol, I've seen every game he's played and he can throw the long ball

[bigant]

Originally Posted by MTK

I’d love to get a top RB, a factor back if you will

yes we need one

[bigant]

stay away from mayfield not that good,, love the guard nelson from ND safety james from fsu, vita vea from washington,payne bama,giuce from lsu ,love chubb or michel from georgia Or lb smith from ga,obviously barkley but don,t think he will be there

[skinsfaninok]

we haven't had a true factor back since CP

[skinsfaninok]

James Washington WR OSU would be a nice addition too but I'd rather have a RB

[sdskinsfan2001]

I think there are enough good backs this year to wait till 2nd or 3rd round. Give me Penny from SDSU. Dude is a stud and is barely talked about.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Quenton Nelson or Roquan Smith in the 1st and best available RB in the 2nd would be my idea of a beautiful start to the draft.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I think there are enough good backs this year to wait till 2nd or 3rd round. Give me Penny from SDSU. Dude is a stud and is barely talked about.

this is the best RB field for the draft that I can remember. We could take 2

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

this is the best RB field for the draft that I can remember. We could take 2

I was just going to say we could definitely afford to take two

[skinsfaninok]

Perine is a solid bruiser that is a good number 2, we just need that factor back at 1, and we also have CT still as well so we are not that bad off

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Perine is a solid bruiser that is a good number 2, we just need that factor back at 1, and we also have CT still as well so we are not that bad off

Perine played like a rookie but I thought he picked up his game as the season went on. His overall play makes a statement that he is in the conversation for a spot on the roster...but that's it imo.

Chico's RB Statuses:

Fat Rob is too slow, Keith Marshall peace out. CT you're awesome, get well. Perine keep working. Other fill ins down the stretch: thanks for contributing, but please leave.