How bad is our defense?

LadyT · 10-08-2006, 06:47 PM

You can attack the defense's play all day long, but not many teams win games when they can only muster 3 points on the board. We have all these offensive weapons and that's the best we can do?

Sadly, Brunell reverted to his form of the first two games today. He had at least two passes that should have been picked but were not. And the O-line played poorly too. The only player on "O" who stepped up was Cooley.

The "D" didn't play well either, but they still held one of the league's best offenses to 19 points and 1 TD.

On a lot of days, that should be enough to win. But not when your offense can't do squat.

Today, the Skins didn't play with any fire or passion, unlike last week. Hard to stomach when you're playing an important divisional opponent.

SmootSmack · 10-08-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyT

The "D" didn't play well either, but they still held one of the league's best offenses to 19 points and 1 TD.

I don't know if "held" is necessarily the right word here. Did they hold or did the Giants O just not get it done in the red zone?

Plus the D gave up a 98 yard drive near the end of the first half that resulted in 3 more points than it should have. And they kicked off the 3rd quarter letting the Giants embark on an 8-minute drive resulting in a TD.

MTK · 10-08-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't know if "held" is necessarily the right word here. Did they hold or did the Giants O just not get it done in the red zone?

Plus the D gave up a 98 yard drive near the end of the first half that resulted in 3 more points than it should have. And they kicked off the 3rd quarter letting the Giants embark on an 8-minute drive resulting in a TD.

Yeah I think we were lucky to "hold" them to 19. We could have easily lost by alot more. If anyone is feeling good about the D today they need to have their head examined.

MightyJoeGibbs · 10-08-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't know if "held" is necessarily the right word here. Did they hold or did the Giants O just not get it done in the red zone?

Plus the D gave up a 98 yard drive near the end of the first half that resulted in 3 more points than it should have. And they kicked off the 3rd quarter letting the Giants embark on an 8-minute drive resulting in a TD.

With the ball control being even more of a threat to us and ally to them did we threaten or force them to have to be physical, or play without caution or urgency????
Consuming so much time off the clock and driving downfield took more out of us and even FG's were TOO difficult to overcome. We coached ourselves out of the game. In saying that, maybe you all dont agree. But even if the Giants just had a better plan and executed it that would still support that we were outcoached. Every where we tried to go we were met with force and never turned around to disrupt their Offensive dominance as they rammed it up the Skins ASS. They got raped and bullied all day. We are somebodies bitch in this NFC EAST prison SHOWER.

70Chip · 10-08-2006, 07:07 PM

The defense couldn't get the Giants off the field, it's true. This is very frustrating to watch, but I can't blame this loss primarily on the defense. If someone had told me that the Giants were only going to score 19 points, I would have been pleasantly surprised and would have assumed we win the game.

In addition, if the offense shows up, I doubt we would have given up that many points. The offensive line is just too damn inconsistent. One week they're great and the next they're the worst in the league. I just don't get it. Who are the leaders of that group. It can't be Jansen because he's the epitome of inconsistency. Plus, he's off to Michigan every chance he gets. Somebody needs to start calling these people out. If we're going to play like this we may as well get Norv Turner back and really do it right.

You can see how the season will go. They'll beat Tenessee and everyone will tell them how great they are. Smiles all around and no preparation. Then they'll lose to Indy and on through to the end. You know what that comes to? 8 and 8. Unacceptable.

MightyJoeGibbs · 10-08-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

The defense couldn't get the Giants off the field, it's true. This is very frustrating to watch, but I can't blame this loss primarily on the defense. If someone had told me that the Giants were only going to score 19 points, I would have been pleasantly surprised and would have assumed we win the game.

In addition, if the offense shows up, I doubt we would have given up that many points. The offensive line is just too damn inconsistent. One week they're great and the next they're the worst in the league. I just don't get it. Who are the leaders of that group. It can't be Jansen because he's the epitome of inconsistency. Plus, he's off to Michigan every chance he gets. Somebody needs to start calling these people out. If we're going to play like this we may as well get Norv Turner back and really do it right.

You can see how the season will go. They'll beat Tenessee and everyone will tell them how great they are. Smiles all around and no preparation. Then they'll lose to Indy and on through to the end. You know what that comes to? 8 and 8. Unacceptable.

Unacceptable indeed. FUCK THEM. I never would have thought we would try to run so many counters against a team with a solid pair of DE's and 2 LB's. The weak spot was the middle of their DL and getting a blocker on Pierce should have been the point of attack. We acquired TJ who should have been implemented by now to combat and be payback to their defense in the same way Jacobs can take so much fight and energy out of defenses. This game was it. unless the team can finish 11-0,10-1,9-2,8-3 the season is over and the way it is shaping hopefully we save face and make it to 8-8. Will this team should we drop too far out, finally sit Mark down and publicly blame him in this act and invest in Jason ??? I do think all this will come to pass.

Alvin#40 · 10-08-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyJoeGibbs

Unacceptable indeed. FUCK THEM. I never would have thought we would try to run so many counters against a team with a solid pair of DE's and 2 LB's. The weak spot was the middle of their DL and getting a blocker on Pierce should have been the point of attack. We acquired TJ who should have been implemented by now to combat and be payback to their defense in the same way Jacobs can take so much fight and energy out of defenses. This game was it. unless the team can finish 11-0,10-1,9-2,8-3 the season is over and the way it is shaping hopefully we save face and make it to 8-8. Will this team should we drop too far out, finally sit Mark down and publicly blame him in this act and invest in Jason ??? I do think all this will come to pass.

I agree with the run game analagy totaly my friend. Seemed like some plays Pierce wasn't even accounted for. Yet we still have these guys and the Boys at home, Tenn next week, we are just fine. Offense is learning still. D is HORRID. I know it's a stupid statement to talk of learning after what we did to Jaguars, but that was a home game, and our minds are always elsewhere in NY for some reason!!! I AM ANGRY!!..I dont think J. Cambell is not an answer at this point though. GW needs to re-evaluate his system with vs his talent. At least he stopped safety blitzes. Who knows what the answers are, but my finger is pointing to greg at the moment.

MightyJoeGibbs · 10-08-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin#40

I agree with the run game analagy totaly my friend. Seemed like some plays Pierce wasn't even accounted for. Yet we still have these guys and the Boys at home, Tenn next week, we are just fine. Offense is learning still. D is HORRID. I know it's a stupid statement to talk of learning after what we did to Jaguars, but that was a home game, and our minds are always elsewhere in NY for some reason!!! I AM ANGRY!!..I dont think J. Cambell is not an answer at this point though. GW needs to re-evaluate his system with vs his talent. At least he stopped safety blitzes. Who knows what the answers are, but my finger is pointing to greg at the moment.

You shouldnt look for an answer, this season is done. unless we go:
11-0
10-1
9-2
8-3
Now does anyone even think the "Redskins" aren't destined to be the laughing stock of the league finding new and innovative ways to choke and disappoint???????

I believe they are the Redskins. And they do what Redskins do. Redskins talk the talk and walk and get raped by bonga bonga.

Longtimefan · 10-08-2006, 07:33 PM

We're not very good right now that's for sure, but we are what we are until we can get better. The question becomes, how do we get better? Can GW get the guys we have to play better, or is there a possibility of help from another source? It's difficult to make deals at this time in the season, and there aren't any good players walking the street. It could be we have to suffer with what we have until such time we can do better though that senerio does not offer us much hope for the immediate future.

70Chip · 10-08-2006, 07:59 PM

Can we all accept the fact that no one is going to trade us even a decent nickel-back at this point in the season? This is not fantasy football. We're stuck with the ones we have. No team that has decent corners is going to give us one in exchange for our third (possibly fourth?) running back. Help is not on the way. The only team foolish enough to allow top-flite corners to get away is the Washington Redskins.

CrazyCanuck · 10-08-2006, 08:10 PM

The D is fckn BRUTAL.

I've never seen such a shtty secondary. Taylor can't play the long ball, Rogers can't cover or catch the ball, and they're the 2 best guys we have back there!

If they try, the Colts might score 100 on us.

Oakland Red · 10-08-2006, 07:33 PM

Getting Shawn Springs back will make a huge difference for us, because we were not able to be ourselves - rushing the passer with such effectiveness, instead having to stay back and protect the corners. The defense has a hard time changing its approach and I think it takes some of the enthusiasm away from the players.

Carlos Rogers isn't developing as fast as I would have liked, but he clearly has extraordinary physical talent and I just think he isn't comfortable yet enough with the Williams defense to play up to his ability.

Obviously we needed to pay more attention to depth at corner. But not only is Springs out but so is Prioleau, leaving Archuleta in on passing downs in a defense he doesn't yet understand.

These problems really show up against a team with outstanding receivers like the Giants have.

Hopefully we will pull up to 3-3, our team will become all the more focused on being comfortable in the scheme, maybe through simplification like the Giants did, Springs will come back in a few weeks, and we will make another late run at the playoffs.

Next year will be our Super Bowl chance - this year it looks like the Bears will at least be the heavy favorites for the NFC.

Hope is on the way. Pray for Springs to heal fast!

SouperMeister · 10-08-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyT

You can attack the defense's play all day long, but not many teams win games when they can only muster 3 points on the board. We have all these offensive weapons and that's the best we can do?

Sadly, Brunell reverted to his form of the first two games today. He had at least two passes that should have been picked but were not. And the O-line played poorly too. The only player on "O" who stepped up was Cooley.

The "D" didn't play well either, but they still held one of the league's best offenses to 19 points and 1 TD.

On a lot of days, that should be enough to win. But not when your offense can't do squat.

Today, the Skins didn't play with any fire or passion, unlike last week. Hard to stomach when you're playing an important divisional opponent.

I blame the offensive game plan more than the offensive players. The Giants secondary has been reeling all year, yet Gibbs/Saunders didn't try to exploit that. They even deactivated Patton, who could have helped in 4 WR sets if Gibbs really wanted to challenge that secondary. Also, please don't let our defense off the hook. Yes, they only gave up 19 points, but they couldn't get the Giants offense off the field on numerous 3rd down plays. I don't believe the Giants even had a punt until the 4th quarter. We cannot win if we allow such a disparity in time of possession, and don't take advantage of turnovers to be had (Rogers dropped INT - yet again, Taylor strip recovered by NY).

10-08-2006, 06:47 PM	#1
LadyT Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 219	Re: How bad is our defense? You can attack the defense's play all day long, but not many teams win games when they can only muster 3 points on the board. We have all these offensive weapons and that's the best we can do? Sadly, Brunell reverted to his form of the first two games today. He had at least two passes that should have been picked but were not. And the O-line played poorly too. The only player on "O" who stepped up was Cooley. The "D" didn't play well either, but they still held one of the league's best offenses to 19 points and 1 TD. On a lot of days, that should be enough to win. But not when your offense can't do squat. Today, the Skins didn't play with any fire or passion, unlike last week. Hard to stomach when you're playing an important divisional opponent.

10-08-2006, 07:07 PM	#5
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 55 Posts: 3,048	Re: How bad is our defense? The defense couldn't get the Giants off the field, it's true. This is very frustrating to watch, but I can't blame this loss primarily on the defense. If someone had told me that the Giants were only going to score 19 points, I would have been pleasantly surprised and would have assumed we win the game. In addition, if the offense shows up, I doubt we would have given up that many points. The offensive line is just too damn inconsistent. One week they're great and the next they're the worst in the league. I just don't get it. Who are the leaders of that group. It can't be Jansen because he's the epitome of inconsistency. Plus, he's off to Michigan every chance he gets. Somebody needs to start calling these people out. If we're going to play like this we may as well get Norv Turner back and really do it right. You can see how the season will go. They'll beat Tenessee and everyone will tell them how great they are. Smiles all around and no preparation. Then they'll lose to Indy and on through to the end. You know what that comes to? 8 and 8. Unacceptable. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

10-08-2006, 07:33 PM	#9
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: How bad is our defense? We're not very good right now that's for sure, but we are what we are until we can get better. The question becomes, how do we get better? Can GW get the guys we have to play better, or is there a possibility of help from another source? It's difficult to make deals at this time in the season, and there aren't any good players walking the street. It could be we have to suffer with what we have until such time we can do better though that senerio does not offer us much hope for the immediate future.

10-08-2006, 07:59 PM	#10
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 55 Posts: 3,048	Re: How bad is our defense? Can we all accept the fact that no one is going to trade us even a decent nickel-back at this point in the season? This is not fantasy football. We're stuck with the ones we have. No team that has decent corners is going to give us one in exchange for our third (possibly fourth?) running back. Help is not on the way. The only team foolish enough to allow top-flite corners to get away is the Washington Redskins. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

10-08-2006, 08:10 PM	#11
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Re: How bad is our defense? The D is fckn BRUTAL. I've never seen such a shtty secondary. Taylor can't play the long ball, Rogers can't cover or catch the ball, and they're the 2 best guys we have back there! If they try, the Colts might score 100 on us.

10-08-2006, 07:33 PM	#12
Oakland Red Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oakland, Calif. Posts: 268	Re: How bad is our defense? Getting Shawn Springs back will make a huge difference for us, because we were not able to be ourselves - rushing the passer with such effectiveness, instead having to stay back and protect the corners. The defense has a hard time changing its approach and I think it takes some of the enthusiasm away from the players. Carlos Rogers isn't developing as fast as I would have liked, but he clearly has extraordinary physical talent and I just think he isn't comfortable yet enough with the Williams defense to play up to his ability. Obviously we needed to pay more attention to depth at corner. But not only is Springs out but so is Prioleau, leaving Archuleta in on passing downs in a defense he doesn't yet understand. These problems really show up against a team with outstanding receivers like the Giants have. Hopefully we will pull up to 3-3, our team will become all the more focused on being comfortable in the scheme, maybe through simplification like the Giants did, Springs will come back in a few weeks, and we will make another late run at the playoffs. Next year will be our Super Bowl chance - this year it looks like the Bears will at least be the heavy favorites for the NFC. Hope is on the way. Pray for Springs to heal fast!

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