Playcalling

joecrisp · 10-13-2004, 07:16 PM

Actually, I can agree with SUNRA somewhat on the Portis cutback issue. I reviewed the Baltimore game, and there were a few instances when Portis should have read the defensive alignment (accounting for number of blockers vs. defenders to each side) and seen the cutback prior to getting the handoff, but he simply followed the flow of the play right into a gaggle of tacklers.

However, I still see some issues with the run-blocking. It's difficult to discern whether the fault lies with the design or with the execution, but it's probably a little of both. There were several plays where the cutback lanes were shutoff by defenders like Terrell Suggs and Adalius Thomas flying in unblocked from the backside of the play. This was usually due to the attention being given to Ray Lewis. Blockers seemed to only be looking for him, rather than accounting for all of the talented defenders on that Baltimore defense. I know some offensive planners love to send multiple blockers at Lewis, but that philosophy (whether planned, or the result of a Ray Lewis-centered tunnel vision on the part of the blockers) is partly responsible for Portis's inability to find any running lanes either to the playside or the cutback.

Baltimore did a fantastic job of flooding the running lanes, though. There was nowhere for Portis to run for most of the game.

That Guy · 10-14-2004, 06:49 PM

i disagree with SUNRA, tiki's success isn't because tiki is super awesome, its cause NY has a PASSING GAME that works... portis sucks cause brunell sucks so he has to run against a stacked deck, tiki doesn't, and hasn't had to for most of the year.

SUNRA · 10-14-2004, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

i disagree with SUNRA, tiki's success isn't because tiki is super awesome, its cause NY has a PASSING GAME that works... portis sucks cause brunell sucks so he has to run against a stacked deck, tiki doesn't, and hasn't had to for most of the year.

I know it's hard to give credit where credit is due, but Tiki is leading the league in rushing. That's why I mentioned him. Tiki has literally carried the Giants on his back. His rushing alone has accounted for half of the Giants offensive yards so far. Tim Carter was their best receiver this year and they lost him for the season. Let's see how well their passing game is with old ass Hillard and Toomer.

That Guy · 10-15-2004, 03:27 AM

toomer got 1000 yards last year, he's not that bad, and looks like warner and shockey can make big plays too... thing is that offense has balance, and its easier to run past 4-6 people at the line than breaking past 9 defenders... tiki HAS had an awesome year though, no doubt.

irish · 10-15-2004, 11:37 AM

It sounds like what goes around comes around. Whne it was Martyball everyone cried about being too conservative on O. Then OBC blew into town and everyone complained that the O was too wide open & free-wheelin'. Sounds like we are back to the Martyball complaints again.

The biggest problem with this team is that they are not that good. They have looked awesome on paper for about the last 3 seasons but when they hit the field they stink. What I think happened is that Snider/Gibbs way underestimated how bad these guys really are. Gibbs appeared to be the missing puzzle piece but as it turns out there are a lot of mismatched pieces in the puzzle box.

backrow · 10-15-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Whne it was Martyball everyone cried about being too conservative on O. The biggest problem with this team is that they are not that good. They have looked awesome on paper for about the last 3 seasons but when they hit the field they stink.

I feel we have not run enough! Quick traps, faster developing running plays, quick screens, all would help get Portis free.

I'm Old School! The Run still sets up the pass! Mix the faster developing runs in with a decent passing game, and we turn it around!

offiss · 10-15-2004, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by backrow

I feel we have not run enough! Quick traps, faster developing running plays, quick screens, all would help get Portis free.

I'm Old School! The Run still sets up the pass! Mix the faster developing runs in with a decent passing game, and we turn it around!

I have alway's felt it was easier to open up the run with the pass, regardless, you need one to do the other, and we are doing neither.

10-13-2004, 07:16 PM	#16
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	Actually, I can agree with SUNRA somewhat on the Portis cutback issue. I reviewed the Baltimore game, and there were a few instances when Portis should have read the defensive alignment (accounting for number of blockers vs. defenders to each side) and seen the cutback prior to getting the handoff, but he simply followed the flow of the play right into a gaggle of tacklers. However, I still see some issues with the run-blocking. It's difficult to discern whether the fault lies with the design or with the execution, but it's probably a little of both. There were several plays where the cutback lanes were shutoff by defenders like Terrell Suggs and Adalius Thomas flying in unblocked from the backside of the play. This was usually due to the attention being given to Ray Lewis. Blockers seemed to only be looking for him, rather than accounting for all of the talented defenders on that Baltimore defense. I know some offensive planners love to send multiple blockers at Lewis, but that philosophy (whether planned, or the result of a Ray Lewis-centered tunnel vision on the part of the blockers) is partly responsible for Portis's inability to find any running lanes either to the playside or the cutback. Baltimore did a fantastic job of flooding the running lanes, though. There was nowhere for Portis to run for most of the game.

10-14-2004, 06:49 PM	#17
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	i disagree with SUNRA, tiki's success isn't because tiki is super awesome, its cause NY has a PASSING GAME that works... portis sucks cause brunell sucks so he has to run against a stacked deck, tiki doesn't, and hasn't had to for most of the year.

10-15-2004, 03:27 AM	#19
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	toomer got 1000 yards last year, he's not that bad, and looks like warner and shockey can make big plays too... thing is that offense has balance, and its easier to run past 4-6 people at the line than breaking past 9 defenders... tiki HAS had an awesome year though, no doubt.

10-15-2004, 11:37 AM	#20
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	It sounds like what goes around comes around. Whne it was Martyball everyone cried about being too conservative on O. Then OBC blew into town and everyone complained that the O was too wide open & free-wheelin'. Sounds like we are back to the Martyball complaints again. The biggest problem with this team is that they are not that good. They have looked awesome on paper for about the last 3 seasons but when they hit the field they stink. What I think happened is that Snider/Gibbs way underestimated how bad these guys really are. Gibbs appeared to be the missing puzzle piece but as it turns out there are a lot of mismatched pieces in the puzzle box.

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