Lighten Up On Snyder

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't follow

How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Vinny Cerrato & Joe Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.

Well I wasn't talking about the coaches, I was talking about the scouts

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I wasn't talking about the coaches, I was talking about the scouts

I hear that, but Cerrato put that scouting staff together. I really don't want any Vinny remenants leftover in the club after he is gone.

Vinny just symbolizes Snyder's hands in operations to me.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I hear that, but Cerrato put that scouting staff together. I really don't want any Vinny remenants leftover in the club after he is gone.

Vinny just symbolizes Snyder's hands in operations to me.

I see. So just fire every front office exec and scout that Vinny and Gibbs brought in over the past few years? Just totally clean house?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I see. So just fire every front office exec and scout that Vinny and Gibbs brought in over the past few years? Just totally clean house?

Anything that has to do with decisions that Cerrato and Snyder have previously made to our on field playing personnel and ancillary staff...out the door.

Fantastic wish I know but would at least prove to me that maybe postive change was coming as opposed to same old regime tactics.


Also interested in why you like the scouting staff this much? I'm not clubbing them by any means but in the vein that they've done nothing wrong, they really haven't gotten too much right...Horton was a good find.

TJ Duckett and Lloyd aside, our O-line goes belly up at the end of last year (after our 6-2 start) and we prove we have no O-Line depth. They don't shore it up with players and then we experience R. Thomas going down for the year in Week 2. Not the prepardness I would expect from a crack scouting staff.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Anything that has to do with decisions that Cerrato and Snyder have previously made to our on field playing personnel and ancillary staff...out the door.

Fantastic wish I know but would at least prove to me that maybe postive change was coming as opposed to same old regime tactics.


Also interested in why you like the scouting staff this much? I'm not clubbing them by any means but in the vein that they've done nothing wrong, they really haven't gotten too much right...Horton was a good find.

TJ Duckett and Lloyd aside, our O-line goes belly up at the end of last year (after our 6-2 start) and we prove we have no O-Line depth. They don't shore it up with players and then we experience R. Thomas going down for the year in Week 2. Not the prepardness I would expect from a crack scouting staff.

It's up to Cerrato and the coaches to decide who we select. It's up to the scouts, Scott Campbell, and Mo Brown to find players for them to choose from.

http://www.thewarpath.net/523135-post23.html

The decision to go after or not go after offensive linemen is not the responsibility of anyone but Cerrato, Zorn, Snyder and in this particular example Bugel (with possibly Eric Schaffer tossed in due to his role in the salary cap)

The scouts under Scott Campbell are the ones who find a Marko Mitchell in the 7th round. They don't decide if he's drafted. The scouts under Morocco Brown are the ones who find a Dominique Dorsey (for lack of a better example) right now. They don't decide if we sign him.

I think you just want change for the sake of change, meaning anything even remotely associated with Cerrato you want gone. But realistically I don't see that being of much benefit to us to just completely tear the entire organization down. Make changes at the top, sure. But we have several good scouts (which I don't believe we did when Gibbs joined) that we are better off holding on to, in my opinion.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's up to Cerrato and the coaches to decide who we select. It's up to the scouts, Scott Campbell, and Mo Brown to find players for them to choose from.

http://www.thewarpath.net/523135-post23.html

The decision to go after or not go after offensive linemen is not the responsibility of anyone but Cerrato, Zorn, Snyder and in this particular example Bugel (with possibly Eric Schaffer tossed in due to his role in the salary cap)

The scouts under Scott Campbell are the ones who find a Marko Mitchell in the 7th round. They don't decide if he's drafted. The scouts under Morocco Brown are the ones who find a Dominique Dorsey (for lack of a better example) right now. They don't decide if we sign him.

I think you just want change for the sake of change, meaning anything even remotely associated with Cerrato you want gone. But realistically I don't see that being of much benefit to us to just completely tear the entire organization down. Make changes at the top, sure. But we have several good scouts (which I don't believe we did when Gibbs joined) that we are better off holding on to, in my opinion.

It's funny...in a lot of your posts I hear you propagate the scouts. I'm starting to think you have a vested interest in the scouting department. Are you on the staff? : )

I'm aware of the whole scouting to GM aspect but even players like Reinhart in the 3rd Round turned out shaky and you could possibly cite our WR group from 08 who have been getting shown up by people drafted after them like D. Jackson and E. Royal...(just citing performance and not physical stature reason as to why we didn't select them.)

I really couldn't tell you how the individual scouting of our current staff affects our on field performance but, to me by perception, it seems like if they had any Cerrato ties then it wouldn't be that big of a big loss...especially when even Cerrato wouldn't even give them a chance to show their worth due to trading away high draft picks.