Democrats/Unions Lose Big In Wisconsin

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Originally Posted by Giantone

I can say it becuase those things are still around and very relivent today .From your statments it was pretty clear that you work for yourself .You do know you can have a job and a career ,my Dad worked for himself....and his job was outsourced to a computer,I saw how hard it was for him and realized there is strength in numbers.
I hope you succeed,Unions aren't for all but they have helped all wether people know it or not.They should'nt be the blame all when some fat ass polititcan wants to save money.People want a Police man to take a bullit for them but they don't want to pay him,they want a fireman to walk into a burning building and save their life or a life of a loved one....but not pay them for it,they want a Nurse or EMS tech to save their life ....but not pay them,they want teachers to continue to go to school have Masters degrees or doctorates.....and pay for that continuing education themselves...but not pay them for it,those are the reasons we still need Unions so the working man or women has a voice.

They also know what they are choosing to do and accept the pay for what they are doing. BTW firemen and nurses do pretty good in my area and firemen can retire at around 50. I'd also add teacher do not do too bad for themself. I guess you also know if a teacher gets their Masters Degree they receive a higher pay.

So you think its totally out of line to ask firefighters police and teachers to pay 5% of their pension (it is money they are putting away for THEIR retirement) and 12% of their health ins?