Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[53Fan]

I found this interesting.
Rick Snider: At midpoint of his contract, Shanahan is a failure with Redskins | Mobile Washington Examiner

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I found this interesting.
Rick Snider: At midpoint of his contract, Shanahan is a failure with Redskins | Mobile Washington Examiner

Rick sounds like he posts on here. Hysterical and nicely devoid of rationality.

"Losing Brian Orakpo only accounts for so much."

Only mentioning Orakpo as a loss on the D?

[los panda]

i say it's time for the final solution.
fire everyone under snyder
deal w the cap penatlies and dead cap
trade all draft picks into future years
play scabs until there is no dead cap/cap penalties
should have at least 3 picks in each round by then
come back w a vengeance
simple.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I found this interesting.
Rick Snider: At midpoint of his contract, Shanahan is a failure with Redskins | Mobile Washington Examiner

All those annoying facts!! He lists wins and losses under Mike, then compares them to other "failed" coaches, and guess what? Shanahan's numbers are even worse...

But it's actually worse with Mike, because among all those coaches and all current coaches, Mike is the HC most responsible for his teams utter failure. He arguably has more control than any coach in pro football, so the results rest squarely on him.

Everything has a tipping point associated with it. My intuition is the tipping point among most Skins fans realizing this regime cannot succeed is just around the corner.

[Chico23231]

^U couldnt be happier. Call you Gloat instead of Goat.

Hopefully its another loss this weekend Gloat?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

^U couldnt be happier. Call you Gloat instead of Goat.

Hopefully its another loss this weekend Gloat?

Bomb the rest of the year, trade up for a 1st rounder!

Awwww yea.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

^U couldnt be happier. Call you Gloat instead of Goat.

Hopefully its another loss this weekend Gloat?

The thing is, I really hoped Mike would come in here and right the ship, albeit against my intuition. I think we all under-appreciated how monumental it was for Denver to kick Mike out. He was an institution, but ultimately everyone realized the game had passed him by or the success really was more about the stars aligning than Mike's coaching. I say it from convos with more Denver fans you can imagine, as I live out west and have tons of family and friends who live in Denver and/or are lifelong fans of the broncs.

But you can't gloss over real results. Mike has destroyed the defense, which has been an issue for him going back over a decade. Special teams are awful. Overall discipline and general preparedness is pathetic, and if that doesn't speak to leadership I don't know what does.

Sure, the offense can be fun to watch, and it still has some impressive stats.

It's classic Shanahan: a sadly incomplete team. We could win more games in a shitty division, or if pro football was in a funk and nobody really stood out. But neither is the case.

Somebody here said with RG3 we can expect to attract the best GM/coaching talent available. I think that's a pretty brilliant observation. Hopefully Snyder has already started his search for both...that's real optimism.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Simple answer to thread title - No!

He brought us RGIII, Alfmo, and Garcon. Garcon is a good player, and made big plays for us in the 1 real quarter he played for us, you can't control injuries. Our offense will be a top 10 offense for years to come, just gotta get get some secondary help and have better luck with injuries. Its apparent how important Rak Daddy and Carriker are to the success of this team. Hope Keenan Robinson is the guy to replace Fletcher soon. It takes time, lets give him the 5 years. I'm tired of new head coaches all the time.

[Gary84Clark]

What if Anthony Armstron was brought back to stretch the field and we could also cut the trans fat (Criscoe).

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

What if Anthony Armstron was brought back to stretch the field and we could also cut the trans fat (Criscoe).

I like that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

All those annoying facts!! He lists wins and losses under Mike, then compares them to other "failed" coaches, and guess what? Shanahan's numbers are even worse...

But it's actually worse with Mike, because among all those coaches and all current coaches, Mike is the HC most responsible for his teams utter failure. He arguably has more control than any coach in pro football, so the results rest squarely on him.

Everything has a tipping point associated with it. My intuition is the tipping point among most Skins fans realizing this regime cannot succeed is just around the corner.

I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you

Isn't it the same with all of us

I like when a post or article lists the hard numbers, stuff I could research but don't want to spend time doing. The article has that plus a whole lot of opinion, but it's the hard numbers that should tell the real story.

[Gary84Clark]

I wish Portis was our third down back, at least long enough to teach our RBs how to pass protect with authority and vigor. Royster is not aggressive enough. Portis used to victimize blitzing linebackers and DBs. We need that attitude. We are kinda soft. Kinda like an AFC West team.

[JoeRedskin]

I am so much happier now that I can't read Goat's selective logic (in that he is ignored), but could you please stop quoting him. It's harshing my mellow.

[53Fan]

Personally I'm just trying to keep and open mind to everything. At times I've felt great about our future but it's hard to just ignore certain things. I couldn't be happier about RG3 and I'm alot more concerned about his wellbeing than any coaches wellbeing. I like some of the things Mike has done with this club. The o-line is playing better than I expected and I really like some of our draft picks and thr infusion of youth. I hope Mike kicks ass with this organization but my thoughts about him after 21/2 years seem about the same as when he was hired. And that is he's half a HC.....which makes you a coordinator. I respect him as a OC but why are his defenses always so bad? I understand the injuries but we weren't looking like a top 10 defense before they occured either. I'm sure we'd be better and I've been excited and bought into the hype that in our 3rd year in the 3-4 the defense would be our strength. There has been no real evidence of that. We want to believe it so we say they would be if not for injuries but look at the stats for the last dozen games or so. Maybe it's the frustration of watching such a total lack of effort in some areas and total ineptitude in others last week that has me feeling this way. I'll still keep and open mind....but I refuse to keep a blind eye.