Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Were younger, the team stunk, winning isnt everything, RG-3 is great, two more years. Your points and others more ingenious than us short sighted wanna be fans who have it out for MS are equally as redundant. In case you havent noticed. Im sure they will gain redundancy over the coming 24 months. It takes two to tango JS. Both sides keep posting the same stuff. Just because you point out that the haters keep doing so and than implore the court for the last word doesnt mean that MS will start to win football games though. Btw if he loses to Carolina this week you better have one hell of a pep talk/ declaration of Shanapendance written for all the haters. I mean it had better really drive home all the aforementioned things that we have to be happy about. You know the list, but just to be redundant - younger- better qb- CLOSER to actually winning- just not winning - no vinny - etc.


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You kind of prove what JR was saying. Both sides know what the other is saying. Nothing new is being added by ANYBODY moronic syncophants or debbie downer retards (or any of the other 99% of the warpath members). We all want the team to win now, and long term. JR's point is can we table these one note themes now that votes have been cast and thoughts have been rehashed over and over. I think the mods could and should step in at this point and call a cease fire over the Shanny bow, at least until the regular season ends, and if someone breaks it, personally I'm in favor of a ban until the season ends.

Lets all move forward, and get back to enjoying Redskins discussions on the Warpath.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You kind of prove what JR was saying. Both sides know what the other is saying. Nothing new is being added by ANYBODY moronic syncophants or debbie downer retards (or any of the other 99% of the warpath members). We all want the team to win now, and long term. JR's point is can we table these one note themes now that votes have been cast and thoughts have been rehashed over and over. I think the mods could and should step in at this point and call a cease fire over the Shanny bow, at least until the regular season ends, and if someone breaks it, personally I'm in favor of a ban until the season ends.

Lets all move forward, and get back to enjoying Redskins discussions on the Warpath.

I think there is a clear and concise point being made by JR that he believed Shanny is on the rite track and that a few of us dont? If he wants the discussion tabeled than just say that minus all of his equally redundant pro - shanny points. Otherwise you are just inviting a return and again equally as reduntant from the shanny-doubters.
As for a ban on someone - thats a tad bit over the top - that is why you have to leave this thread open. Funnell all your Opinions on Shanny here. If you are sick to death of it than simply ignore this particular thread. Seems more of a practical way of handling the whole situation imo.

Edit: what you propose is basically if someone says "Shanny is awesome" they should be banned because that will spurn a "why" comment - and well you can imagine the rest. Lol.
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[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think the mods could and should step in at this point and call a cease fire over the Shanny bow, at least until the regular season ends, and if someone breaks it, personally I'm in favor of a ban until the season ends.

I'm never in favor of a ban as we lose the opportunity for public scourging of posters, that's much more fun.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Lets all move forward, and get back to enjoying Redskins discussions on the Warpath.

We're supposed to be enjoying this? Oh........

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The 'closer to actually winning' gets me every time.

If we make a big move in the coaching staff, then I might start to see the light at the end of tunnel.

LOL especially when Shanny's record is actually worse than any of his predecessor's.

"Moving in the opposite direction, but getting closer!"

What, you don't understand that? Well then let's just shut down the thread lmao. The equivelant of taking his ball and going home...I LOL every time I read that dude's stuff.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The point was everybody wanted to bash MS for mcnabb and rex/beck. But nobody wants to give him credit for rg-3.
Well if any of those qb's won he would have gotten credit. None of them have won. Atleast not more than they have lost. So i ask again credit for what?


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The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.

[Meks]

gonna go ahead and go with no for big mike... we're headed in the right direction.... on offense.... it's hastogo who's no my chopping block as soon as a suitable replacement is found.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I think there is a clear and concise point being made by JR that he believed Shanny is on the rite track and that a few of us dont? If he wants the discussion tabeled than just say that minus all of his equally redundant pro - shanny points. Otherwise you are just inviting a return and again equally as reduntant from the shanny-doubters.
As for a ban on someone - thats a tad bit over the top - that is why you have to leave this thread open. Funnell all your Opinions on Shanny here. If you are sick to death of it than simply ignore this particular thread. Seems more of a practical way of handling the whole situation imo.

Edit: what you propose is basically if someone says "Shanny is awesome" they should be banned because that will spurn a "why" comment - and well you can imagine the rest. Lol.
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Just for clarity, I would trust that the mods - as always - have the discretion to not go ban crazy and also not be NFL refs and get the 2nd guy.

If someone were to come in yelling in every frickin post of his/hers how awesome KS is and how that play was drawn up for a 99 yard TD, if only Morris had cut left, or other ridiculous things than that would be as open to the in-season ban as someone who claims that 1 high turnover game out of 7 is the result of KS's stale playcalling, or citing for the 100th time in 101 posts that MS only won SB's with Elway.

I also don't expect Matty or Smoot to really do something that draconian as an in-season ban, but when 7% of respondents believe something, and one or two of those 7% take it on themselves to put it out there in every post regardless of thread subject matter, then I think its fair for the other 93%
to want the mods to keep the Warpath "Actively refreshing" not "tired and depressing"

[SmootSmack]

I, or anyone other mod, could lock this. But a) I know what the reaction will be and b) A similar thread will quickly be created

My advice, just let this thread naturally die

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.

RG3 and the offense aren't the problem. Your rants seems a little misdirected.

[Mechanix544]

Thats not a rant, never said it was a problem. Putting together all the facets of a game into wins are Shanahans problem. Statistcally, he's always done alright, this is just the first year he has done alright here. I'll wait and see though. I hope he changes my mind, but not all teams above .500 are thought to have strong positions all over the field though. But somehow, those teams still win games...............Just curious that the same doesn't happen here. It takes a 4-5 year buildup to be able to even think about being over .500 and field a winning team? That is what I have a problem with, not the offense. Maybe its you that doesn't get the point, as you like to say.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Thats not a rant, never said it was a problem. Putting together all the facets of a game into wins are Shanahans problem. Statistcally, he's always done alright, this is just the first year he has done alright here. I'll wait and see though. I hope he changes my mind, but not all teams above .500 are thought to have strong positions all over the field though. But somehow, those teams still win games...............Just curious that the same doesn't happen here. It takes a 4-5 year buildup to be able to even think about being over .500 and field a winning team? That is what I have a problem with, not the offense. Maybe its you that doesn't get the point, as you like to say.

Or maybe your point is a little foggy. I didn't see you mention the D at all, just going on and on about RG3.

He's great no doubt, but he can't do it alone.

[Meks]

D is an issue, kicking was an issue, seems thats on a better track and if it had been through the first few weeks we might be singing a different tune... so theres lots of blame to go around, not just Mike ... like i've said... some of our d players and haslett would be the first to go IMO

[NC_Skins]

Still wonder why coaches like Bill Walsh and Bill Belichek get all the glory for winning their SBs even though they've never won without their HoF QBs, but Mike gets zero credit for winning 2 SBs. They give the credit to Elway.



You can't have it both ways. Either Walsh,McCarthy, Tomlin, Johnson, BB, and Mike were ALL carried by their QBs or they weren't.


Fact is, nobody can point to me in the past 2 decades of a coach winning the SB without a stud at the Qb spot. There were only 2 times these past 20 years it hasn't happened.

1) Baltimore Ravens
2) Tampa Bay Bucs


I imagine you can figure out what those two teams had in common.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.

Some of what you say is true. But RG3 is the most important piece to this franchise. Do you a la Jason Campbell him and bring in a new staff, and make him learn a new offense? Let him grow in this offense. Keep molding it around him. For the most part they've done a good job with him. Why change that? What I would do is completly strip Mike Shanahan of all personel decisions. Just let him coach the team and let the front office folks bring in the players.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Some of what you say is true. But RG3 is the most important piece to this franchise. Do you a la Jason Campbell him and bring in a new staff, and make him learn a new offense? Let him grow in this offense. Keep molding it around him. For the most part they've done a good job with him. Why change that? What I would do is completly strip Mike Shanahan of all personel decisions. Just let him coach the team and let the front office folks bring in the players.

Shanahan will never agree to that, nor will he agree to keeping his hands off the defense. This is the crux of the problem with him, it's all or nothing.