Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[skins89moss]

Well said bro. Typical Redskins fan wants us to bring in another coach every 3 years like it's going to fix this culture. The culture is we don't keep HC long enough to truly change this shit show. Just like this country we go into a recession and we think 4 years later after the shit show it would be smelling like roses. Just saying stay the course it will get better if we have faith in SHANNY to fix this.

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by punch it in

If you find out where exactly let me, GTripp, Mechanix, Goat, Alvin Walton, Slingin Sammy, and Okie know where so we can get a table near by and talk really loud.

Well, I don't know if Snyder will have a sit down with Griffin, but if he is even considering a possible HC change, he should at least get some feed back from RG before doing so. In other words, firing Shanahan if Griffin is 100% behind him would be a huge mistake in my opinion.

I think they would sit down and have a general discussion about life in DC, and Robert's overall thoughts about his first year. And then guage his impression of where the team is and where it is heading. Robert is the future here, Shanahan may or may not be.

It is common knowledge that Turner is still coaching because Rivers publicly and privately championed his return. Irsay said that he had sought Peyton's input to maintain continuity in Indy when Dungy retired. Jones did seek Romo's endorsement of Garrett before hiring him as HC, though that turned out to be a mistake. Certainly Kraft isn't discussing Belichick's future with Brady, but it's a good bet they do meet privately and talk about whatever is on Tom's mind.

It's just a smart business practice to keep your main guy happy, and communication is the best way to do it.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.

You have been a Redskin fan for five minutes rite?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Well said bro. Typical Redskins fan wants us to bring in another coach every 3 years like it's going to fix this culture. The culture is we don't keep HC long enough to truly change this shit show. Just like this country we go into a recession and we think 4 years later after the shit show it would be smelling like roses. Just saying stay the course it will get better if we have faith in SHANNY to fix this.

Dont get confused with that longevity nonsense. So if us "typical" redskins fans had faith in the likes of Steve Spurrier or Jim Zorn or even Gibbs 2.0 would we have been better served? Again - its not the change that hurts us its the wrong decisions. Eventually we will get it rite. Thought we finally did with Shanny but now I dont. Just because he sticks around doesnt mean we will get better.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Dont get confused with that longevity nonsense. So if us "typical" redskins fans had faith in the likes of Steve Spurrier or Jim Zorn or even Gibbs 2.0 would we have been better served? Again - its not the change that hurts us its the wrong decisions. Eventually we will get it rite. Thought we finally did with Shanny but now I dont. Just because he sticks around doesnt mean we will get better.

That's what everyone is forgetting, Mike is in his 3 rd season as a HC for us and nothing has changed besides the phenom that is RG3, I give Mike props for the way they have groomed Griffin but he's the type of QB that can make it in any system. Other than griff this team is an embarrassment, people complain about the lack of talent but isn't that part of Mike's fault??

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

That's what everyone is forgetting, Mike is in his 3 rd season as a HC for us and nothing has changed besides the phenom that is RG3, I give Mike props for the way they have groomed Griffin but he's the type of QB that can make it in any system. Other than griff this team is an embarrassment, people complain about the lack of talent but isn't that part of Mike's fault??

Nope. Ask Bucket. If you bought a Jason Taylor jersey it is all your fault.

[CultBrennan59]

Reading some of these posts on here makes me think I'm dealing with this guy on this site

[punch it in]

I mean who besides possibly Marty Schottenheimer did we pull the plug on too fast in the last 20 years after Gibbs that leads so many of you to believe there needs to be a "culture change" with the revolving door of coaches?
Richie Petitbon?
Terry Robiskie?
Norv had forever.
Spurrier
Zorn
Gibbs 2.0 - wasnt sticking around anyway
None of those guys were shit. None of them would have won or changed the culture if we had kept them around. They were all bad choices. What kind of thought goes into a statement about pulling the plug on Shanny and what kind of detriment that will have on the team? Apparently it has nothing to do with the last 20 years even though this is "typical " Redskin fans unfaithful itchy trigger finger bullshit. Yeah I guess your rite - wish we had held onto Terry Robiskie or Steve Spurrier! What a mistake.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Nope. Ask Bucket. If you bought a Jason Taylor jersey it is all your fault.

Now who's being sarcastic?

Truth hurts.. Iv'e said it before. Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500. That's the type of fan base we have here in Redskins Nation. He was doomed from the start, and never had a chance. Since the day he was hired people were making threads about

"Why not Bill Cowher?"
"Should of got Gruden"

etc
etc

I know everyone can't be happy, and Shanahan said it best in today's presser, and I qoute..

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

People talk like 2.5 years is a long time to turn a franchise around. Those same people are the SAME ones who wanted Gabbert, and the media included call the coaches/front office last year while Rex/Beck lost many games. Now, we are a young team with still below average depth who is injury riddled and most of Redskins Nation blames Shanahan for that too. Like he was walking around smashing players with hammers to put them on the IR.

People compare to other franchises, and don't realize that every franchise goes a different direction, plays different teams, and picks different players. We are not Green Bay, and we may NEVER be Green Bay or the Giants. Our franchise is not in the shape that those were when they suffered injuries.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now. The man didn't LIE to anyone.. He didn't promise wins since day one. He didn't come in to the office and promise us Super Bowls in 2.5 years. He said he needed 5 years, and when we brought him in to bring in HIS system, and his style of coaching then we allowed him and said we UNDERSTOOD what state this team is in, and now as fans we are shitting and pissing in his face while not supporting him because you can't accept and handle the losses that have to come before the wins.

I'm giving the man his 5 years... I accepted his word that it would take that long at least.

[jdc65]

I know as a fan it is disconcerting to start over with a new coach. New coach means new systems meaning new players brought in to fit the new systems. It does feel like starting all over from scratch again. On the surface, it would appear that 2 more years with Shanny is better than 2-3 years with a new guy.

But football is about good players playing with confidence, emotion, motivation, and belief in what they are doing. Players also need to feel the organization is doing the best job they can to bring in the right pieces to win. If they lose that confidence or start doubting the direction, it is virtually impossible to be successful.

As fans, we don't know exactly what the players are thinking, but typically when someone on the outside is asking questions, it's a good bet that those on the inside are asking them to. At this point, fans have a reason to ask if the team is heading in the right direction. It's only natural the players may be asking as well.

I take Shanahan's remarks as he isn't sure if players are still buying into what he is selling, and he is putting them on notice. That he is worried about losing the lockerroom, and the character issue is more about playing within the schemes than playing hard.

If players decide the coach is a goner or the scheme is broke or other players aren't cutting it, they'll play for themselves. Which means bypasssing specific assignments and taking risks to make a big play. That very well is what appears to me to be happening, and a justifiable reason to consider making a change.

[skinsfaninok]

Problem is most fans have just gotten so used to losing that shanny isn't any different than previous coaches so why make a change?

[punch it in]

Bucket lets not blame the fan base for anything. Shanny is a big boy - i dont think some thread about Gruden ever made it to his desk but if it had im pretty sure it didnt affect his work. Lol. Snyder wants to give him his five years that is fine. I get all the stuff about this team was shit. It was. He inherited a big stinky pile of shit. The problem is that it is not getting incrementally better. It is getting incrementally worse. Do u know what I base that opinion on? Football games. I know - strange rite - to base your opinion of a head coach on how his team performs on the field ( that was big sarcasm). Last week against the Steelers and this week against the Panthers are two of the worst games Ive seen in a while. After this season - which imo is 6 wins - AT BEST - give him two more years. Just so I never have to hear another person say - two more years again.
Edit: also Bucket - you seem to be under this impression that if we shower MS with love and praise he will coach better - i have news for you - he diesnt give a shit what me or you thinks about him. Trust me. Do you really think personnel decisions , etc are based on the court of public opinion? Its the NFL not American ****ing Idol.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Bucket lets not blame the fan base for anything. Shanny is a big boy - i dont think some thread about Gruden ever made it to his desk but if it had im pretty sure it didnt affect his work. Lol. Snyder wants to give him his five years that is fine. I get all the stuff about this team was shit. It was. He inherited a big stinky pile of shit. The problem is that it is not getting incrementally better. It is getting incrementally worse. Do u know what I base that opinion on? Football games. I know - strange rite - to base your opinion of a head coach on how his team performs on the field ( that was big sarcasm). Last week against the Steelers and this week against the Panthers are two of the worst games Ive seen in a while. After this season - which imo is 6 wins - AT BEST - give him two more years. Just so I never have to hear another person say - two more years again.
Edit: also Bucket - you seem to be under this impression that if we shower MS with love and praise he will coach better - i have news for you - he diesnt give a shit what me or you thinks about him. Trust me. Do you really think personnel decisions , etc are based on the court of public opinion? Its the NFL not American ****ing Idol.

I'm not saying praise the man. Everyone wants him on the chopping block when the man was nothing but honest.

Can you actually say that our team wouldn't be doing better with at least 1-2 or our players on the field? I guess we will find out against the Eagles.

I know Shanahan doesn't give two shits about what we say, but the other realistic fans here do. No, i'm not including you.

[jdc65]

It does matter what the fans say or think. Yesterday was a big game for Washington, at home with the 80th anniversary hoopla, playing an apparently inferior opponent in a declared must win situation. They didn't just lose, they lost with unenthusiastic and uninspired play. The stands appeared darn near empty well before the final gun went off. That's money coming out of Snyder's pocket. Uninspired play produces an uninspired fanbase affecting ticket sales, tv and radio ratings, concessions and merchandise sales.

It's still a business, and more than wins or losses, it's about making money. Empty stands and an unhappy, nonspending fanbase are a surefire way to see changes made. November, December, and January is when the big money is made, and for the 3rd year under Shanny, football is irrelevant in DC. Expecting playoff contention in the 3rd year was reasonable, but showing improvement is an absolute must. At least sell hope. Who is going to keep spending money watching this crap?

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I mean who besides possibly Marty Schottenheimer did we pull the plug on too fast in the last 20 years after Gibbs that leads so many of you to believe there needs to be a "culture change" with the revolving door of coaches?
Richie Petitbon?
Terry Robiskie?
Norv had forever.
Spurrier
Zorn
Gibbs 2.0 - wasnt sticking around anyway
None of those guys were shit. None of them would have won or changed the culture if we had kept them around. They were all bad choices. What kind of thought goes into a statement about pulling the plug on Shanny and what kind of detriment that will have on the team? Apparently it has nothing to do with the last 20 years even though this is "typical " Redskin fans unfaithful itchy trigger finger bullshit. Yeah I guess your rite - wish we had held onto Terry Robiskie or Steve Spurrier! What a mistake.

The difference between the above mentioned and the atrocity called Mike Shanahan is that the above guys didn't have the luxury of being handed the best QB in the history of the game (arguably, top 5 no argument), riding him and Terell Davis to two Super Bowls, and then in 14 years after that man retires, said coach wins ONE playoff game. ONE!!!!!!!!! But the above mentioned didnt have the success in 96-98, so Mike gets a pass, cause he has proven in the subsequent 14 years that he knows how to team build. He didn't even have to build a majority of the team in Denver, they had been to plenty of playoffs before Mike.

Face it kids, the longer mike grinds the gears here in DC, the longer its gonna take for WHOEVER to fix it. (RG3. Too bad he cannot overcome mount shanahan for a shot at being competitive now)