Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

[GridIron26]

Another perspective on our O-line

RGIII is vastly outperforming his offensive line

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Another perspective on our O-line

RGIII is vastly outperforming his offensive line

Good find 26, it's a strong article and analysis. I'm not convinced Mike can build a (ZBS) line that works in this division and/or era of football. The run blocking is ok, but much of that success goes back to Morris and RG3 as oppossed to the oline. And the line is garbage in pass blocking.

I think everyone is right to some degree on this issue. Those who say RG3 makes the line better are correct, but the hidden cost (hits on him) is almost as astounding as his talent. Regardless of whether the gimmick offense Mike and Kyle run can work long term against defenses, I think it's already a foregone conclusion it can not work longterm for the person actually running the offense i.e. the QB. Most QBs taking this kind of pounding don't last the season, and the data clearly proves it:

NFL Stats: by Team Category

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Good find 26, it's a strong article and analysis. I'm not convinced Mike can build a (ZBS) line that works in this division and/or era of football. The run blocking is ok, but much of that success goes back to Morris and RG3 as oppossed to the oline. And the line is garbage in pass blocking.

I think everyone is right to some degree on this issue. Those who say RG3 makes the line better are correct, but the hidden cost (hits on him) is almost as astounding as his talent. Regardless of whether the gimmick offense Mike and Kyle run can work long term against defenses, I think it's already a foregone conclusion it can not work longterm for the person actually running the offense i.e. the QB. Most QBs taking this kind of pounding don't last the season, and the data clearly proves it:

NFL Stats: by Team Category

didn't you post that link once and it was pointed out that Luck has taken 20+ more hits, and that half the qb's in the league take within 10 the same number of hit as Griffin. In other words one number doesn't prove your statement.
Here are some historical running QB's and one non runner, and their respective careers:

Cunningham played 1985-1995 (main team)
Steve Young took over from Montana in 90 played till 98
McNabb played from 1999 to 2009 (main team)
Vick 2001-2006, 2009-2011


A point of reference, Peyton Manning, a qb who we all would agree was not the mobile scrambler type played from 1999-2010, and was out a year with his neck injuries.

And of course Favre who took tons of hits and kept on playing.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

didn't you post that link once and it was pointed out that Luck has taken 20+ more hits, and that half the qb's in the league take within 10 the same number of hit as Griffin. In other words one number doesn't prove your statement.
Here are some historical running QB's and one non runner, and their respective careers:

Cunningham played 1985-1995 (main team)
Steve Young took over from Montana in 90 played till 98
McNabb played from 1999 to 2009 (main team)
Vick 2001-2006, 2009-2011


A point of reference, Peyton Manning, a qb who we all would agree was not the mobile scrambler type played from 1999-2010, and was out a year with his neck injuries.

And of course Favre who took tons of hits and kept on playing.

But you're missing the point. RG3 is a RUNNING QB. Don't you get it?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Another perspective on our O-line

RGIII is vastly outperforming his offensive line

But then Pro Football Focus has them I believe in the top 10 (maybe top 15).

So the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, I suppose

Certainly RG3 has helped (in a big way) but I think it's quite frankly insulting (not addressing you here) to act like Mike, Kyle, Chris Foerster and the OL have nothing to do at all when the offense is successful. You'd have to be clueless to think that

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But then Pro Football Focus has them I believe in the top 10 (maybe top 15).

So the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, I suppose

Certainly RG3 has helped (in a big way) but I think it's quite frankly insulting (not addressing you here) to act like Mike, Kyle, Chris Foerster and the OL have nothing to do at all when the offense is successful. You'd have to be clueless to think that

Agreed.

Plus, we just tore up the defending champs for 200+ yards rushing in each of our meetings. I think it's safe to say the zone blocking scheme works here as far as the running game goes. Last I checked you still need holes in order to run. Is the pass pro perfect? Of course not. And this stuff with not crediting the coaches is just beyond tired. Is anyone with half a brain really buying that?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed.

Plus, we just tore up the defending champs for 200+ yards rushing in each of our meetings. I think it's safe to say the zone blocking scheme works here as far as the running game goes. Last I checked you still need holes in order to run. Is the pass pro perfect? Of course not. And this stuff with not crediting the coaches is just beyond tired. Is anyone with half a brain really buying that?

We have to be very careful here. Yes the coaches get credit for the scheme (it's their scheme lol!!) but you have to give them "credit" for all the results/implications of the scheme. I'm doing that...giving credit for the whole enchilada.

I think some very, very short-sighted fans are giving credit for the offensive production and not the other implications. See?

I also think it's very short-sighted to not recognize RG3 certainly can/hopefully will flourish in a wide variety of offensive schemes/systems.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

We have to be very careful here. Yes the coaches get credit for the scheme (it's their scheme lol!!) but you have to give them "credit" for all the results/implications of the scheme. I'm doing that...giving credit for the whole enchilada.

I think some very, very short-sighted fans are giving credit for the offensive production and not the other implications. See?

I also think it's very short-sighted to not recognize RG3 certainly can/hopefully will flourish in a wide variety of offensive schemes/systems.

Do you think we'd be better off running a more traditional offense right now given the garbage pass pro as you call it? What sort of offense would you rather see?

I guess I'm just not understanding what your point is overall with your continued criticisms of this offense.

Of course RG3 is super talented and can probably adjust to just about any system. But I think right now given that he's a rookie and we have some weaknesses in pass pro, the system we're running is pretty damn effective and takes full advantage of his strengths while masking some of our weaknesses.

I know, there I go crediting the coaches again. Silly me.

Your version of crediting is just a little odd. The run blocking is ok? We're #1 in the league in rushing.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But then Pro Football Focus has them I believe in the top 10 (maybe top 15).

So the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, I suppose

Certainly RG3 has helped (in a big way) but I think it's quite frankly insulting (not addressing you here) to act like Mike, Kyle, Chris Foerster and the OL have nothing to do at all when the offense is successful. You'd have to be clueless to think that

Never said that I agree with the article, just that there's another perspective. All I know is that the O-line are playing better than last year and that's all I care about.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Never said that I agree with the article, just that there's another perspective. All I know is that the O-line are playing better than last year and that's all I care about.

Didn't say you agreed