Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Another perspective on our O-line

RGIII is vastly outperforming his offensive line

Good find 26, it's a strong article and analysis. I'm not convinced Mike can build a (ZBS) line that works in this division and/or era of football. The run blocking is ok, but much of that success goes back to Morris and RG3 as oppossed to the oline. And the line is garbage in pass blocking.

I think everyone is right to some degree on this issue. Those who say RG3 makes the line better are correct, but the hidden cost (hits on him) is almost as astounding as his talent. Regardless of whether the gimmick offense Mike and Kyle run can work long term against defenses, I think it's already a foregone conclusion it can not work longterm for the person actually running the offense i.e. the QB. Most QBs taking this kind of pounding don't last the season, and the data clearly proves it:

NFL Stats: by Team Category

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Good find 26, it's a strong article and analysis. I'm not convinced Mike can build a (ZBS) line that works in this division and/or era of football. The run blocking is ok, but much of that success goes back to Morris and RG3 as oppossed to the oline. And the line is garbage in pass blocking.

I think everyone is right to some degree on this issue. Those who say RG3 makes the line better are correct, but the hidden cost (hits on him) is almost as astounding as his talent. Regardless of whether the gimmick offense Mike and Kyle run can work long term against defenses, I think it's already a foregone conclusion it can not work longterm for the person actually running the offense i.e. the QB. Most QBs taking this kind of pounding don't last the season, and the data clearly proves it:

NFL Stats: by Team Category

didn't you post that link once and it was pointed out that Luck has taken 20+ more hits, and that half the qb's in the league take within 10 the same number of hit as Griffin. In other words one number doesn't prove your statement.
Here are some historical running QB's and one non runner, and their respective careers:

Cunningham played 1985-1995 (main team)
Steve Young took over from Montana in 90 played till 98
McNabb played from 1999 to 2009 (main team)
Vick 2001-2006, 2009-2011


A point of reference, Peyton Manning, a qb who we all would agree was not the mobile scrambler type played from 1999-2010, and was out a year with his neck injuries.

And of course Favre who took tons of hits and kept on playing.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

didn't you post that link once and it was pointed out that Luck has taken 20+ more hits, and that half the qb's in the league take within 10 the same number of hit as Griffin. In other words one number doesn't prove your statement.
Here are some historical running QB's and one non runner, and their respective careers:

Cunningham played 1985-1995 (main team)
Steve Young took over from Montana in 90 played till 98
McNabb played from 1999 to 2009 (main team)
Vick 2001-2006, 2009-2011


A point of reference, Peyton Manning, a qb who we all would agree was not the mobile scrambler type played from 1999-2010, and was out a year with his neck injuries.

And of course Favre who took tons of hits and kept on playing.

But you're missing the point. RG3 is a RUNNING QB. Don't you get it?