Democrats/Unions Lose Big In Wisconsin

[mlmpetert]

MoveOn.org Casts Public Service Ad With Non-Union Actors | NewsBusters.org

[firstdown]

Ok I'll play your game.

Weekends: I think it limited us to only two days.
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks: I don't take breaks lunch on the run
Paid Vacation: Don't get paid vacations
FMLA : Whats this?
Sick Leave : Don't get sick leave.
Social Security: I have to pay double into this rip off system that is broke
Minimum Wage : So the Union claims this.
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination) I was discriminated against
8-Hour Work Day: I wish. Its 10:40 I just finished up some stuff for work.
Overtime Pay: I'm commission only.
Child Labor Laws: Common sense that congress would have passed.
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA) : N/A
40 Hour Work Week ; Once again I wish.
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp) : I don't have Workers Comp. Would only cost
Unemployment Insurance : I wish
Pensions : My pension is what I save with my money
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations: Maybe a paper cut.
Employer Health Care Insurance : I pay for my own Health Care
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees: Have none
Wrongful Termination Laws: VA is a right to work state
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967: Here is an old ass law and N/A
Whistleblower Protection Laws: N/A
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee) Emp. can steel from me and get away with it. Thanks
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS) N/A
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises) Just had my commisions cut.
Sexual Harassment Laws: That was the good old days.
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA):Congess would have passed anyways
Holiday Pay : I wish
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance: I wish
Privacy Rights If they say so.
Pregnancy and Parental Leave: Would really cost me a ton of money if it applied to me.
Military Leave: See lastanswer.
The Right to Strike: Isn't that freedom of speech?
Public Education for Children: Really they claim this.
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work) : Does not apply to me.
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States: N/A

So I guess unions have only cost me money.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Ok I'll play your game.

Weekends: I think it limited us to only two days.
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks: I don't take breaks lunch on the run
Paid Vacation: Don't get paid vacations
FMLA : Whats this?
Sick Leave : Don't get sick leave.
Social Security: I have to pay double into this rip off system that is broke
Minimum Wage : So the Union claims this.
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination) I was discriminated against
8-Hour Work Day: I wish. Its 10:40 I just finished up some stuff for work.
Overtime Pay: I'm commission only.
Child Labor Laws: Common sense that congress would have passed.
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA) : N/A
40 Hour Work Week ; Once again I wish.
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp) : I don't have Workers Comp. Would only cost
Unemployment Insurance : I wish
Pensions : My pension is what I save with my money
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations: Maybe a paper cut.
Employer Health Care Insurance : I pay for my own Health Care
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees: Have none
Wrongful Termination Laws: VA is a right to work state
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967: Here is an old ass law and N/A
Whistleblower Protection Laws: N/A
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee) Emp. can steel from me and get away with it. Thanks
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS) N/A
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises) Just had my commisions cut.
Sexual Harassment Laws: That was the good old days.
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA):Congess would have passed anyways
Holiday Pay : I wish
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance: I wish
Privacy Rights If they say so.
Pregnancy and Parental Leave: Would really cost me a ton of money if it applied to me.
Military Leave: See lastanswer.
The Right to Strike: Isn't that freedom of speech?
Public Education for Children: Really they claim this.
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work) : Does not apply to me.
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States: N/A

So I guess unions have only cost me money.

From your answers,Unions are worth there weight in Gold.You proved my point.Thanks.


....P.S. you need a new job.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

From your answers,Unions are worth there weight in Gold.You proved my point.Thanks.


....P.S. you need a new job.

P.S. I work for myself and will be glade to compare pay checks.

BTW. I don't have a "JOB" I have a career.

Also I never said unions have not been needed or done good things in the past. They are living off their past and that list of things they say they have accomplished is very old and dated. How long can they keep saying how important they are TODAY using accomplishment form 30 to 40 yrs ago?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

P.S. I work for myself and will be glade to compare pay checks.

BTW. I don't have a "JOB" I have a career.

Also I never said unions have not been needed or done good things in the past. They are living off their past and that list of things they say they have accomplished is very old and dated. How long can they keep saying how important they are TODAY using accomplishment form 30 to 40 yrs ago?

I can say it becuase those things are still around and very relivent today .From your statments it was pretty clear that you work for yourself .You do know you can have a job and a career ,my Dad worked for himself....and his job was outsourced to a computer,I saw how hard it was for him and realized there is strength in numbers.
I hope you succeed,Unions aren't for all but they have helped all wether people know it or not.They should'nt be the blame all when some fat ass polititcan wants to save money.People want a Police man to take a bullit for them but they don't want to pay him,they want a fireman to walk into a burning building and save their life or a life of a loved one....but not pay them for it,they want a Nurse or EMS tech to save their life ....but not pay them,they want teachers to continue to go to school have Masters degrees or doctorates.....and pay for that continuing education themselves...but not pay them for it,those are the reasons we still need Unions so the working man or women has a voice.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I can say it becuase those things are still around and very relivent today .From your statments it was pretty clear that you work for yourself .You do know you can have a job and a career ,my Dad worked for himself....and his job was outsourced to a computer,I saw how hard it was for him and realized there is strength in numbers.
I hope you succeed,Unions aren't for all but they have helped all wether people know it or not.They should'nt be the blame all when some fat ass polititcan wants to save money.People want a Police man to take a bullit for them but they don't want to pay him,they want a fireman to walk into a burning building and save their life or a life of a loved one....but not pay them for it,they want a Nurse or EMS tech to save their life ....but not pay them,they want teachers to continue to go to school have Masters degrees or doctorates.....and pay for that continuing education themselves...but not pay them for it,those are the reasons we still need Unions so the working man or women has a voice.

They also know what they are choosing to do and accept the pay for what they are doing. BTW firemen and nurses do pretty good in my area and firemen can retire at around 50. I'd also add teacher do not do too bad for themself. I guess you also know if a teacher gets their Masters Degree they receive a higher pay.

So you think its totally out of line to ask firefighters police and teachers to pay 5% of their pension (it is money they are putting away for THEIR retirement) and 12% of their health ins?

[dmek25]

first says he doesnt take breaks at work. what is posting here during the day called?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by dmek25

first says he doesnt take breaks at work. what is posting here during the day called?

stress relief.......

[mlmpetert]

Because Alabama utility crews not union, New Jersey turns away help in wake of Sandy | al.com

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Because Alabama utility crews not union, New Jersey turns away help in wake of Sandy | al.com

Huntsville, Joe Wheeler utilities deny claims of union discrimination during Sandy response (update) | al.com

Representatives with Huntsville Utilities and Joe Wheeler Cooperative, two area utilities mentioned in media reports claiming their crews were not allowed to help with storm aid in New Jersey because they were non-union, said this morning the story is untrue.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

Huntsville, Joe Wheeler utilities deny claims of union discrimination during Sandy response (update) | al.com

Again a case of the right not letting facts interfear with a good lie.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Again a case of the right not letting facts interfear with a good lie.

The paper reported what was told to them by a worker for the company or maybe someone they thought worked for the company. Their own web page has a link showing that the story is not true. Now its you not letting the facts get in your way.

[Chico23231]

Think tank calls Las Vegas police pay 'inflated' - Yahoo! News

these f u c king crooks. this is why these state labor unions should be outlawed.

take 2 seconds and read:

LAS VEGAS (AP) -- A conservative think tank released a study Tuesday that it said shows Las Vegas police employee salaries are inflated, and called for state lawmakers to ban the use of taxpayer money to pay police officers doing union business.

The Nevada Policy Research Institute posted the annual survey on its website, TransparentNevada.com, and released a statement blaming the police officers' union for departmental budget problems.

"Even a casual glance ... shows that excessive salaries are behind Metro's budget difficulties," NPRI President Andy Matthews said. He said departmental-paid union leave time accounts for $1.8 million of the department's nearly $503 million budget.

Las Vegas Police Protective Association and Las Vegas police officials didn't immediately respond to messages.

The release of salary information comes with Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, the elected head Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, asking the state Legislature to authorize a quarter-cent sales tax increase approved by voters in 2004 to hire more officers.

Gillespie has pointed to a drop in property tax revenues since the Great Recession and sought flexibility to address what he called a "structural deficit" in his department budget.

Clark County and cities have supported the call for the quarter-cent tax hike. State lawmakers have the final word.

Matthews said the Legislature should reject the tax hike and instead ban policies allowing for paid union leave time.

"Giving them flexibility won't result in more officers on the street," he said in an interview. He said the money would instead go toward "already bloated salaries."

An NPRI statement said Las Vegas police in 2012 were some of the highest compensated employees in southern Nevada, with 149 people taking home more than $200,000 in total compensation. One lieutenant received $354,000, an assistant sheriff received more than $294,000 and one captain received more than $585,000 in total earnings, according to the survey.

"These inflated salaries are the result of collective bargaining laws that favor politically powerful labor unions over the needs of taxpayers," Matthews said. He called the salaries "unsustainable."

Las Vegas police ended 2012 with 4,940 employees, including 2,549 sworn police officers, 764 corrections officers and 1,627 civilian workers. The number of police officers peaked earlier at almost 2,750, according to departmental figures.

The regional police agency covers a sprawling area almost the size of New Jersey that is home to 2 million residents and draws nearly 40 million visitors a year.





whether your republican or dem....just use common sense to see if this fair or right. They are robbing their community and state.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Think tank calls Las Vegas police pay 'inflated' - Yahoo! News

these f u c king crooks. this is why these state labor unions should be outlawed.

take 2 seconds and read:

LAS VEGAS (AP) -- A conservative think tank released a study Tuesday that it said shows Las Vegas police employee salaries are inflated, and called for state lawmakers to ban the use of taxpayer money to pay police officers doing union business.

The Nevada Policy Research Institute posted the annual survey on its website, TransparentNevada.com, and released a statement blaming the police officers' union for departmental budget problems.

"Even a casual glance ... shows that excessive salaries are behind Metro's budget difficulties," NPRI President Andy Matthews said. He said departmental-paid union leave time accounts for $1.8 million of the department's nearly $503 million budget.

Las Vegas Police Protective Association and Las Vegas police officials didn't immediately respond to messages.

The release of salary information comes with Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, the elected head Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, asking the state Legislature to authorize a quarter-cent sales tax increase approved by voters in 2004 to hire more officers.

Gillespie has pointed to a drop in property tax revenues since the Great Recession and sought flexibility to address what he called a "structural deficit" in his department budget.

Clark County and cities have supported the call for the quarter-cent tax hike. State lawmakers have the final word.

Matthews said the Legislature should reject the tax hike and instead ban policies allowing for paid union leave time.

"Giving them flexibility won't result in more officers on the street," he said in an interview. He said the money would instead go toward "already bloated salaries."

An NPRI statement said Las Vegas police in 2012 were some of the highest compensated employees in southern Nevada, with 149 people taking home more than $200,000 in total compensation. One lieutenant received $354,000, an assistant sheriff received more than $294,000 and one captain received more than $585,000 in total earnings, according to the survey.

"These inflated salaries are the result of collective bargaining laws that favor politically powerful labor unions over the needs of taxpayers," Matthews said. He called the salaries "unsustainable."

Las Vegas police ended 2012 with 4,940 employees, including 2,549 sworn police officers, 764 corrections officers and 1,627 civilian workers. The number of police officers peaked earlier at almost 2,750, according to departmental figures.

The regional police agency covers a sprawling area almost the size of New Jersey that is home to 2 million residents and draws nearly 40 million visitors a year.





whether your republican or dem....just use common sense to see if this fair or right. They are robbing their community and state.

There will be more and more of these stories as states have to start finding things to cut. It hasn't been an issue when times are good and flys under the radar. The mayors of Las Vegas have been Dems who are in bed with the unions. I personally don't blame the cops for getting what they can.

[Chico23231]

regardless of Dems or Reps, or the obvious ...Is this right? Is it fair?

It should be an overwhelming no. The people and state of Nevada should be outraged. People need to start looking in their own communities and they will find similar stories about the ridiculous ways their tax money is spent.