Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches

30gut · 01-06-2009, 07:03 PM

Reuters
Monday, January 5, 2009; 9:08 PM

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Green Bay Packers dismissed defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and five other coaches on Monday after a 6-10 season.

Defensive ends coach Carl Hairston, defensive tackles coach Robert Nunn, secondary coach Kurt Schottenheimer, defensive cornerbacks coach Lionel Washington and strength and conditioning coordinator Rock Gullickson were also let go. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches - washingtonpost.com

I was writing in another thread about how i thought the defensive line and especially the defensive ends underperformed this year. It fairly common knowledge around the league that the Redskins couldn't/didn't get sacks.

IMO the problem isn't just personnell but also an issue of coaching.
What would you guys think about adding Carl Hairston to the staff?

Carl Hairston:Packers.com » Team » Coaches » Carl Hairston

Under Hairston's tutelage, defensive end Aaron Kampman has now gone to two straight Pro Bowls, Cullen Jenkins has emerged as a quality every-down end, and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila continues to thrive in his pass-rush specialist role.

Kampman has 27 1/2 sacks over the past two seasons, including a career-best and NFC-high 15 1/2 in 2006. That year, Kampman also set a franchise record for tackles by a defensive lineman with 113.

Jenkins' emergence also began in 2006, when he moved from tackle to end on early downs late in the year to bolster the team's run defense. The move, which helped produce a three-sack game from Jenkins, keyed the defensive resurgence and season-ending four-game winning streak.

Meanwhile, 'KGB' posted 9 1/2 sacks last season as a third-down pass-rush specialist, his best sack total since 2004, and surpassed Reggie White as the franchise's all-time sack leader in the process.......

Under Hairston, Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen accumulated 20 sacks from 2004-05. That figure tied for 10th in the NFL during that period but ranked first among players drafted in 2004, including 23 defensive linemen taken before Allen. Led by Allen's nine sacks as a rookie, the second-highest total by a rookie in Chiefs history, the club finished 2004 with 41 sacks, seventh in the league.

SFREDSKIN · 01-06-2009, 07:08 PM

No thanks, I rather have Jerry Gray get promoted to DC.

saden1 · 01-06-2009, 07:08 PM

Wow, I thought their defense was above average. I guess if you got scapegoat you can't go wrong with tossing the mob coordinator meat.

30gut · 01-07-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

No thanks, I rather have Jerry Gray get promoted to DC.

Que? Carl Hairston is a Defensive Ends coach, and a darn good one.
Considering the production or lack thereof from our Ends wouldn't it be nice to add him to the staff?

This has nothing to do with Coach *Gray* our defensive backs/secondary coach.

SmootSmack · 01-07-2009, 07:35 PM

They're saying Nolan will probably take over as DC there, though Gregg Williams is also a possibility (as well as in other places)

By the way, does anyone else find it peculiar that the Packers had one coach for the ends and another for the tackles?

SBXVII · 01-07-2009, 08:49 PM

I guess they liked to departmentalize their team. I noticed they had a secondary coach and a CB's coach. So I would assume the secondary coach works with the safeties? So in essence they had a coach for each position on defense and they didn't mention if there were coach's for the LB's.

30gut · 01-07-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

By the way, does anyone else find it peculiar that the Packers had one coach for the ends and another for the tackles?

I've never heard of two different coaches for ends and tackles either. But, Hairston has done a good job with the ends regardless of the set-up.

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I guess they liked to departmentalize their team. I noticed they had a secondary coach and a CB's coach. So I would assume the secondary coach works with the safeties? So in essence they had a coach for each position on defense and they didn't mention if there were coach's for the LB's.

We do the same thing here except Gray has the the secondary coach title and Steve Jackson coaches the safeties.

What do you guys think of Hairston's track record with ends though?

SBXVII · 01-07-2009, 09:17 PM

If it's an improvement over what we have or don't have then sign him up. I think Zorn needs to constantly look for ways to make this team better and that includes coach's.

SmootSmack · 01-08-2009, 12:52 PM

We'll probably stick with Palermo as our D-Line coach, but, and people may laugh at this because of his horrible record this year as head coach, I think Rod Marinelli would be a great addition the staff.

30gut · 01-08-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably stick with Palermo as our D-Line coach, but, and people may laugh at this because of his horrible record this year as head coach, I think Rod Marinelli would be a great addition the staff.

They might laugh but they'd be wrong too. Marinelli is well respected around the league and has already been contacted by the Bears.

(I doubt they'll change the staff except to fill open positions like for Coach Simmons, but like many fans i still enjoy speculating what i think the team should do)

GMScud · 01-08-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably stick with Palermo as our D-Line coach, but, and people may laugh at this because of his horrible record this year as head coach, I think Rod Marinelli would be a great addition the staff.

I second your opinion on Marinelli. He's a good man, and a good leader. No question in my mind that the Lions awful record was much more a function of a front office in total disarry than it was Marinelli's abilities. His persona acutally kind of reminds me of Gibbs - never passes on blame, very level headed. I think the Bears already made him an offer to be a defensive assistant.

SmootSmack · 01-08-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

I second your opinion on Marinelli. He's a good man, and a good leader. No question in my mind that the Lions awful record was much more a function of a front office in total disarry than it was Marinelli's abilities. His persona acutally kind of reminds me of Gibbs - never passes on blame, very level headed. I think the Bears already made him an offer to be a defensive assistant.

Well, Seattle, Houston, and Oakland are also possibilities for Marinelli. Whoever gets him is getting a very good coach.

JoeRedskin · 01-08-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, Seattle, Houston, and Oakland are also possibilities for Marinelli. Whoever gets him is getting a very good coach.

True dat. Every player I have heard speak has complimented the coach. Truth is, he may be one of those great coordinator/position coaches who is just not cut out to be a head coach.

Do he and Blache have any ties? I wouldn't see him coming here unless he has some connection to the current staff.

SmootSmack · 01-10-2009, 06:38 PM

Bears got Marinelli, assistant head coach/defensive line coach. Nice move by the Bears

davy · 01-10-2009, 08:21 PM

Okay, I'll ask the obvious question...

If Hairston did such a great job with their DEs, why did he get fired?

01-06-2009, 07:03 PM	#1
30gut Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,323	Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches Reuters Monday, January 5, 2009; 9:08 PM NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Green Bay Packers dismissed defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and five other coaches on Monday after a 6-10 season. Defensive ends coach Carl Hairston, defensive tackles coach Robert Nunn, secondary coach Kurt Schottenheimer, defensive cornerbacks coach Lionel Washington and strength and conditioning coordinator Rock Gullickson were also let go. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches - washingtonpost.com I was writing in another thread about how i thought the defensive line and especially the defensive ends underperformed this year. It fairly common knowledge around the league that the Redskins couldn't/didn't get sacks. IMO the problem isn't just personnell but also an issue of coaching. What would you guys think about adding Carl Hairston to the staff? Carl Hairston:Packers.com » Team » Coaches » Carl Hairston Under Hairston's tutelage, defensive end Aaron Kampman has now gone to two straight Pro Bowls, Cullen Jenkins has emerged as a quality every-down end, and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila continues to thrive in his pass-rush specialist role. Kampman has 27 1/2 sacks over the past two seasons, including a career-best and NFC-high 15 1/2 in 2006. That year, Kampman also set a franchise record for tackles by a defensive lineman with 113. Jenkins' emergence also began in 2006, when he moved from tackle to end on early downs late in the year to bolster the team's run defense. The move, which helped produce a three-sack game from Jenkins, keyed the defensive resurgence and season-ending four-game winning streak. Meanwhile, 'KGB' posted 9 1/2 sacks last season as a third-down pass-rush specialist, his best sack total since 2004, and surpassed Reggie White as the franchise's all-time sack leader in the process....... Under Hairston, Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen accumulated 20 sacks from 2004-05. That figure tied for 10th in the NFL during that period but ranked first among players drafted in 2004, including 23 defensive linemen taken before Allen. Led by Allen's nine sacks as a rookie, the second-highest total by a rookie in Chiefs history, the club finished 2004 with 41 sacks, seventh in the league.

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SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches No thanks, I rather have Jerry Gray get promoted to DC. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

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saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches Wow, I thought their defense was above average. I guess if you got scapegoat you can't go wrong with tossing the mob coordinator meat. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

01-07-2009, 07:35 PM	#5
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches They're saying Nolan will probably take over as DC there, though Gregg Williams is also a possibility (as well as in other places) By the way, does anyone else find it peculiar that the Packers had one coach for the ends and another for the tackles? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You Last edited by SmootSmack; 01-08-2009 at 01:39 AM.

01-07-2009, 08:49 PM	#6
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches I guess they liked to departmentalize their team. I noticed they had a secondary coach and a CB's coach. So I would assume the secondary coach works with the safeties? So in essence they had a coach for each position on defense and they didn't mention if there were coach's for the LB's.

01-07-2009, 09:17 PM	#8
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches If it's an improvement over what we have or don't have then sign him up. I think Zorn needs to constantly look for ways to make this team better and that includes coach's.

01-08-2009, 12:52 PM	#9
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches We'll probably stick with Palermo as our D-Line coach, but, and people may laugh at this because of his horrible record this year as head coach, I think Rod Marinelli would be a great addition the staff. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-10-2009, 06:38 PM	#14
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches Bears got Marinelli, assistant head coach/defensive line coach. Nice move by the Bears __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-10-2009, 08:21 PM	#15
davy Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 936	Re: Packers fire defensive coordinator and five other coaches Okay, I'll ask the obvious question... If Hairston did such a great job with their DEs, why did he get fired? __________________ “Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to.”

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