Official Super Bowl Thread

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Not to be picky, but Brees was a HUGE risk for any team given his shoulder injury. I honestly don't remember how much of a sure thing Brees was thought off when he became a free agent. Of course we all know how things turned out, but still.

I don't think Brees was a huge risk at all in FA. The only reason I didn't advocate signing him was because we had just drafted JC and we all thought of him as the qb of the future. If we hadn't drafted JC I'dve been all over Brees. And the huge risk thing is overrated. Yeah, he had hurt his shoulder. But it wasn't even being talked about as something that could end his career or keep him out long term. The injury was a short term concern.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

I don't think Brees was a huge risk at all in FA. The only reason I didn't advocate signing him was because we had just drafted JC and we all thought of him as the qb of the future. If we hadn't drafted JC I'dve been all over Brees. And the huge risk thing is overrated. Yeah, he had hurt his shoulder. But it wasn't even being talked about as something that could end his career or keep him out long term. The injury was a short term concern.

So you are saying that San Diego got rid of him for no reason whatsoever? The shoulder injury wasn't career ending, but it was a concern when he hit free agency. My point is that Brees wasn't a "sure thing" when he became a free agent; if he was, San Diego would not have gotten rid of him.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So you are saying that San Diego got rid of him for no reason whatsoever? The shoulder injury wasn't career ending, but it was a concern when he hit free agency. My point is that Brees wasn't a "sure thing" when he became a free agent; if he was, San Diego would not have gotten rid of him.

San Diego had Rivers in waiting. It was obvious Brees wasn't going to be there forever. They had a choice to make and they decided to go with the younger, cheaper, and more long term option. Brees made it a tough choice since he started playing decent ball in '04 and '05, but that combo of factors played the role. Yes the injury factored into that too but I don't think it was ever a question of would he return to the same performance level. The injury was just bad timing.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

San Diego had Rivers in waiting. It was obvious Brees wasn't going to be there forever. They had a choice to make and they decided to go with the younger, cheaper, and more long term option. Brees made it a tough choice since he started playing decent ball in '04 and '05, but that combo of factors played the role. Yes the injury factored into that too but I don't think it was ever a question of would he return to the same performance level. The injury was just bad timing.

Rivers wasn't cheaper, but he was younger. Once again, my point is that Brees wasn't a SURE thing like you said he was. His injury was a factor, otherwise Miami would have picked him up. Instead, they went with Culpepper. Bad choice of course, but Miami was concerned about the shoulder.

I think at some point, this team is going to take a risk in terms of getting their QB. I guess you could make the argument that they did that with McNabb, but who knows maybe they do need to pay a bit of a ransom to get an RG3 or Luck. Still, there are very few sure things out there in terms of QBs. Let's just hope any risk we take works out for once.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Rivers wasn't cheaper, but he was younger. Once again, my point is that Brees wasn't a SURE thing like you said he was. His injury was a factor, otherwise Miami would have picked him up. Instead, they went with Culpepper. Bad choice of course, but Miami was concerned about the shoulder.

I think at some point, this team is going to take a risk in terms of getting their QB. I guess you could make the argument that they did that with McNabb, but who knows maybe they do need to pay a bit of a ransom to get an RG3 or Luck. Still, there are very few sure things out there in terms of QBs. Let's just hope any risk we take works out for once.

McNabb wasn't injury, it was mechanics. And a desire to even play the game. Rolling the dice on a vet guy like McNabb and rolling the dice on a guy like Luck/RG3 are two totally different risks if you ask me.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

I don't think Brees was a huge risk at all in FA. The only reason I didn't advocate signing him was because we had just drafted JC and we all thought of him as the qb of the future. If we hadn't drafted JC I'dve been all over Brees. And the huge risk thing is overrated. Yeah, he had hurt his shoulder. But it wasn't even being talked about as something that could end his career or keep him out long term. The injury was a short term concern.

Lets say Brees came here. He wouldn't be the QB he's become. Not here, not under this organization. He got with the perfect coach and a stable front office. People may not remember this but back in 04, Kurt Warner was out there. Instead the Redskins and Jow Gibbs decided to go with a past his prime Mark Brunell.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Lets say Brees came here. He wouldn't be the QB he's become. Not here, not under this organization. He got with the perfect coach and a stable front office. People may not remember this but back in 04, Kurt Warner was out there. Instead the Redskins and Jow Gibbs decided to go with a past his prime Mark Brunell.

Ahhh...hindsight

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ahhh...hindsight

It's 20/20!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

I don't think Brees was a huge risk at all in FA. The only reason I didn't advocate signing him was because we had just drafted JC and we all thought of him as the qb of the future. If we hadn't drafted JC I'dve been all over Brees. And the huge risk thing is overrated. Yeah, he had hurt his shoulder. But it wasn't even being talked about as something that could end his career or keep him out long term. The injury was a short term concern.

He was enough of a risk that only two teams showed strong interest in him. He tore up his shoulder pretty bad if I recall. He was no lock to return to his former self.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He was enough of a risk that only two teams showed strong interest in him. He tore up his shoulder pretty bad if I recall. He was no lock to return to his former self.

I remember the Dolphins auditioned Brees and Daunte Culpepper to determine who was going to lead the franchise for the next however many years. They determined Culpepper was the better option. Just goes to show how one big whiff at the QB position can set you back for years and years. And on the flip side, how one homerun at QB can make you a perennial playoff team. I want a homerun oh so badly.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I remember the Dolphins auditioned Brees and Daunte Culpepper to determine who was going to lead the franchise for the next however many years. They determined Culpepper was the better option. Just goes to show how one big whiff at the QB position can set you back for years and years. And on the flip side, how one homerun at QB can make you a perennial playoff team. I want a homerun oh so badly.

I think the Dolphins doctors were concerned about his shoulder and recommended against signing him.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He was enough of a risk that only two teams showed strong interest in him. He tore up his shoulder pretty bad if I recall. He was no lock to return to his former self.

On top of that, his "former self" had not been exactly tearing it up like he is now. His first three years were mediocre at best. Followed by two very good years (~65% completion each year, 3100 & 3500 yrds, 27 & 24TD's) - but even his two best years in SD don't compare to what he has turned in at NO (last three years he is averaging around 70% completions, 4500 yards & 35 TD's).

These last three years he has been a machine. Given his injury and the entirety of his playing history to that point, no one could have seen what was coming.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He was enough of a risk that only two teams showed strong interest in him. He tore up his shoulder pretty bad if I recall. He was no lock to return to his former self.

I never thought it was that bad. I know if it had been the regular season, he'd have been out for a few months, but I don't recall it being a career threatening injury. I get that it was a risk, and Skinsfan69, I'm well aware that how good he is today is a perfect combination of luck, skill, and circumstances, but all I'm saying is at the time of his FA signing I felt like long term he had a good chance to put up above average numbers. Not the kind of numbers he's putting up today, but obviously no one saw that coming.