Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder?

[MTK]

Shanahan inherited the AH problem and let's be honest, AH was a problem long before Shanahan showed up. He just got stuck with cleaning up the mess.

McNabb is clearly on Shanahan. But at least he's already acknowledged the mistake and will quickly move on rather than wasting everyone's time. As a personnel guy, there are going to be misses along with the hits. As long as the hits don't outnumber the mistakes, you're doing ok.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shanahan inherited the AH problem and let's be honest, AH was a problem long before Shanahan showed up. He just got stuck with cleaning up the mess.

McNabb is clearly on Shanahan. But at least he's already acknowledged the mistake and will quickly move on rather than wasting everyone's time. As a personnel guy, there are going to be misses along with the hits. As long as the hits don't outnumber the mistakes, you're doing ok.

Matty, I agree with you 100% and was not insulting Shanny's decisions. I was just defending the fans reason for leading the pack in lunacy.

I'm probably the biggest DM fan on here but concede that his best is clearly behind him and we must move on. As far as AH, probably the biggest disapointment this season between a coach and player. HTTR!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

McNabb is clearly on Shanahan. But at least he's already acknowledged the mistake and will quickly move on rather than wasting everyone's time. As a personnel guy, there are going to be misses along with the hits. As long as the hits don't outnumber the mistakes, you're doing ok.

Nope, sorry. You have WAYYYYY too much faith in Shanahan to sweep the McNabb thing under the rug as an "aw, shucks" personnel mistake given 11 years of McNabb in Philadelphia. A 2nd and a 4th were given up for the right to make that mistake and then admit that mistake.

And it's also shameless to try the package the Haynesworth situation as "he inherited him" so any horrible management of the situation can be blamed on other parties.

I don't think Mike Shanahan is ever going to mail you a handwritten letter telling you that he's unfit to be coach of the Redskins. Sometimes, you just have to pull yourself out of the moment for a second and read between the lines. When we start rationalizing the obvious mistakes as completely understandable errors, that's what I mean by the "faith in lord Shanahan" crowd.

If you've decided he can do no wrong, then its more clear to me why thinking he should be fired is such a lunatic position for Redskin fans.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nope, sorry. You have WAYYYYY too much faith in Shanahan to sweep the McNabb thing under the rug as an "aw, shucks" personnel mistake given 11 years of McNabb in Philadelphia. A 2nd and a 4th were given up for the right to make that mistake and then admit that mistake.

And it's also shameless to try the package the Haynesworth situation as "he inherited him" so any horrible management of the situation can be blamed on other parties.

As to McNabb, I agree, Shanny was far too casual with his "Well, we just need to move on". His failure to acknowledge that he poorly scouted DM and that it was a costly mistake to a franchise trying to reboot are troubling. To me, this is a symptomatic of his entire, generally successful, coaching career. Even as a coordinator back in the day, he has always had a blindingly large ego. At the same time, in the past, he has been successful despite this flaw and may well yet be successful here. Time will tell.

As to AH, I disagree. This one is cannot be laid at anyone but AH's doorstep. MS & Haslett had made a determination of where they wanted to go and provided AH the opportunity to bail or stay. He chose to stay. After that, all bets are off you play by the coach's rules (even if he wants you to run 50 windsprints or play safety). AH is a headcase and maybe one or two coaches could have solved him (even Gibbs had problems with Arrington - his greatest inherited talent).

Bottomline, in year one, MS gets a pass from me. If the ego is still here in three years but the winning is not, that's a different discussion.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As to McNabb, I agree, Shanny was far too casual with his "Well, we just need to move on". His failure to acknowledge that he poorly scouted DM and that it was a costly mistake to a franchise trying to reboot are troubling. To me, this is a symptomatic of his entire, generally successful, coaching career. Even as a coordinator back in the day, he has always had a blindingly large ego. At the same time, in the past, he has been successful despite this flaw and may well yet be successful here. Time will tell.

As to AH, I disagree. This one is cannot be laid at anyone but AH's doorstep. MS & Hanifan had made a determination of where they wanted to go and provided AH the opportunity to bail or stay. He chose to stay. After that, all bets are off you play by the coach's rules (even if he wants you to run 50 windsprints or play safety). AH is a headcase and maybe one or two coaches could have solved him (even Gibbs had problems with Arrington - his greatest inherited talent).

Bottomline, in year one, MS gets a pass from me. If the ego is still here in three years but the winning is not, that's a different discussion.

When did Hanifan get involved?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

When did Hanifan get involved?

Doh!!!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nope, sorry. You have WAYYYYY too much faith in Shanahan to sweep the McNabb thing under the rug as an "aw, shucks" personnel mistake given 11 years of McNabb in Philadelphia. A 2nd and a 4th were given up for the right to make that mistake and then admit that mistake.

And it's also shameless to try the package the Haynesworth situation as "he inherited him" so any horrible management of the situation can be blamed on other parties.

I don't think Mike Shanahan is ever going to mail you a handwritten letter telling you that he's unfit to be coach of the Redskins. Sometimes, you just have to pull yourself out of the moment for a second and read between the lines. When we start rationalizing the obvious mistakes as completely understandable errors, that's what I mean by the "faith in lord Shanahan" crowd.

If you've decided he can do no wrong, then its more clear to me why thinking he should be fired is such a lunatic position for Redskin fans.

I completely agree. The Shanahan side of the McNabb/Haynesworth fiascos made me much less sanguine about the future of our club. Fisher and Reid were able to get much more productivity out of those two players and that is what coaching is all about.

That said, it is foolishness to call for Shanny to be fired, as some are doing. You have to give him more time, even if it means "grin and bear it" as a fan.