P90x

mlmpetert · 03-01-2011, 01:00 PM

I thought I would post about this because ive had really good results on the high protein diet. For the first time since high school (almost 10 years ago) I started lifting free weights in October. After a couple weeks I got up to a 1 rep max of 185, which was about where I was in HS (I think 205 was my most ever in HS). I increased it to 205 up until December, then had surgery which kept me out 4-6 weeks. Dropped back down to 185 max when I started again, then got up to about 215 and then had to have surgery again in late January which kept me out another 3 weeks. Came back at 205 and since then ive really taken off.

So basically in the month of February I went from 205 to 235 (as of last night). I could feel a slight plateau around 215 before (3+ weeks in a row at 215). Then 3 weeks ago I started punishing protein on work out days. So basically in 4 weeks my max went up 30 pounds, but even more significantly (and probably why my max jumped) is that I am able to get a lot more reps out. Yesterday I put down around 250grams of protein (no easy feat).

Mondays is when I do bench. We start off on bench, then do; incline, decline, military press, shoulder shrugs, and seated chest pull downs (front and back). Besides the flat bench press we take a cue from p90x and mix the other things up and do slightly different variations (Change is good – Tony Horton). Also compared to how I used to work out in HS vs now is a major difference. P90x definitely gave me the Bring It attitude when lifting weights. We usually go for about an hour and half and it’s a pretty intense regimen for just free weights and no cardio at all.

So because of the surgies I had im not exactly sure how my bench would have progressed if I was on a non-high protein diet. But in the last 3 weeks is when I felt the most change. Im sure a lot of this is just because im basically new at lifting, but I do think the protein has helped significantly. My goal at the start of the year was 245 by summer and 265 by summer end. I think I am going to be able to up those a little bit. I also do p90x Chest and Back on Thursdays. Im thinking once I plateau I will switch out Chest and Back with Core Synergies, YogaX, or Chest Shoulders and Biceps.

I think ive put on about 10 pounds, I now weight around 215, but I have definitely fatted up a little. Im guessing half to muscle half to fat. For body comparison sake Im 6’2.5” and have a 78 in wing span and would have normally considered myself a slow gainer. Eating 200+ grams of protein is a all day challenge. I do though usually drink a 50gram protein shake right before I lift and probably put down 60-100 right after I lift. I also take creatine which I know fattens me up. Also I found that pork has a lot of protein in it and have seriously stocked up on bacon (really high). Also Body Fortress Super Advance Whey Protein has 52 grams of protein and only 280 calories. You can get it at Walmart (I know some people here hate/are too good for Walmart) for I think 16 bucks for 13 servings. I get the chocolate and its not bad at all.

Also I put my 80 weight vest to test this weekend and put down dandylion killer on my lawn. I could only do it for about ¼ of the lawn, before I gave up ( I was also pretty hungover). Its pretty eXtreme and you can feel it primarily in your shoulders/core/back. I was hoping for a leg work out so im not sure how im going to use it going forward.

Monkeydad · 03-01-2011, 01:21 PM

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Yesterday I put down around 250grams of protein (no easy feat).

You better be careful with that protein intake, seriously. You should be drinking a few gallons of water with that too. Still, 250 is going to abuse your kidneys.

I'm taking probably 50 total on workout days and seeing great results without any ill effects.

Also, the alcohol is likely counteracting your hard work, just so you know.

Daily Protein Requirement Calculator:
Daily Protein Requirements and Protein Intake

Using your height that you posted:

Your ideal body weight is 190 pounds, or 86.4 kilograms.
Your protein intake requirement is 38.9 grams to 69.1 grams.
If you are working endurance training, increase to 39.9 to 69.2 grams.

mlmpetert · 03-01-2011, 02:17 PM

Yesterday was probably a little too high but from your website:

Most people meet their daily protein requirements by many times over. In addition there is a misconception that a high protein diet is helpful for training. High protein diets do not help improve muscle strength or aid in training. In fact, high protein diets can be harmful to your health. There is far more risk to your health from high protein diet than from low protein diet.

Proteins have a high amount of nitrogen. When nitrogen is broken down in the liver it creates ammonia. Ammonia is poisonous. The increased level of ammonia in the body is harmful to cells and may decrease atheletic performance.
Stress on kidneys occurs when more than 2 grams per kilogram of ideal body weight per day is consumed.
High levels of protein intake require increased amount of vitamin B6. It is possible to become deficient in vitamin B6 while using a high protein diet.
Calcium loss, which leads to osteoporosis, occurs with high levels of protein intake

So i should be okay with 180grams and will probably stretch that out to a little over 200. I will start drinking more water. Here is something i read about high protein:

Bodybuilding FAQ - Protein and Kidney Damage

I refuse to stop drinking!! NEVER!

Monkeydad · 03-01-2011, 02:56 PM

That study was based on 0.76 grams of protein per pound bodyweight. You're taking in 1.16 grams her pound. It's far above recommended levels even for training intake.

Protein is safe when used properly. It's in food, it's natural to the body. But, too much of ANYTHING can be bad. You can take too much calcium, overload on any vitamin and protein is no different.

Just be careful, man.

I take supps too and can't stand when people who have no clue say "protein is bad for you" and think Creatine is steroids, but you have to use things safely too.

You can even die from drinking too much water too quickly...and nothing is bad about water...until you get too much.

But, it's OK. Your liver is going to explode before your kidneys.

MTK · 03-01-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Yesterday was probably a little too high but from your website:

Most people meet their daily protein requirements by many times over. In addition there is a misconception that a high protein diet is helpful for training. High protein diets do not help improve muscle strength or aid in training. In fact, high protein diets can be harmful to your health. There is far more risk to your health from high protein diet than from low protein diet.

Proteins have a high amount of nitrogen. When nitrogen is broken down in the liver it creates ammonia. Ammonia is poisonous. The increased level of ammonia in the body is harmful to cells and may decrease atheletic performance.
Stress on kidneys occurs when more than 2 grams per kilogram of ideal body weight per day is consumed.
High levels of protein intake require increased amount of vitamin B6. It is possible to become deficient in vitamin B6 while using a high protein diet.
Calcium loss, which leads to osteoporosis, occurs with high levels of protein intake

So i should be okay with 180grams and will probably stretch that out to a little over 200. I will start drinking more water. Here is something i read about high protein:

Bodybuilding FAQ - Protein and Kidney Damage

I refuse to stop drinking!! NEVER!

Just how much are you drinking? Keep in mind:

http://www.montclair.edu/caps/alcoholmuscle.pdf

Workout and Fitness Tips: Effects of Alcohol on Your Diet and Exercise Program

Monkeydad · 03-01-2011, 03:53 PM

^ Enough to be hung over and unable to mow the lawn apparently.

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Also I put my 80 weight vest to test this weekend and put down dandylion killer on my lawn. I could only do it for about ¼ of the lawn, before I gave up ( I was also pretty hungover).

mlmpetert · 03-01-2011, 04:37 PM

Hey!

1) I wasnt mowing the grass i was pushing a spreader spreading weed killer WITH a 80 weight vest on

2) http://thestir.cafemom.com/healthy_living/116607/out_with_water_in_with

(okay this point may be moot, as it pertains to low alcohol beer)

3) Ive made significant muscel gains in my mind over the last month

Honestly i dont really have time to drink and dont drink that much. Maybe 1 (occasionally 2) nights on the weekdays which is usually always less than 4 drinks. On weekends; however, its possibly more……

MTK · 03-01-2011, 04:45 PM

Yeah not only is that point moot but it's totally laughable. Good try though.

Monkeydad · 03-01-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

3) Ive made significant muscel gains in my mind over the last month

Sorry...funny wording.

Monkeydad · 03-21-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

VCU. VCU. VCU! Unfortunately I had to spend the night looking throuught struppeds the whole night see bachloer thresad.

-VCU VCU. Richmond. Mason.

CAA CAA

How's your progress?

mlmpetert · 03-21-2011, 06:23 PM

Well with the VCU run in the CAA tourney and then the VCU run in the NCAA tourney and plus a bachelor party filled with strippers/struppeds, my workout schedule has been a little erratic.

Once i hit 235 i modified my bench press grip because i saw some stuff on the ole 'net about shoulder issues with higher weight. Of course once i modified my grip i got a little weaker (expected) and my right shoulder started acting up (not expected), so now im taking today off, just gonna do p90x this week and then returning to a regular schedule next week. Ive been able to hold onto the 235 bench press but i havent gone up. I think I should be able to return to my normal workout schedule next week so hopefully ill start making gains again. Any grip suggestions would be great.

Also a guy I work with told me about chia (like the pet) seeds. His son is a vegan and eats them. Apparently they are one of the rare complete non-meat proteins.

Also I went to a girls going away party yesterday and her friends got her a male stripper (I never saw him and went with most of the other dudes to the basement to play pool or darts). So were talking to the strippers pimp (I guess that what you call him) and he said I definitely got the body to be a stripper (I know, sounds a little gay). Plus from the bachelor party this weekend I was talking to the groups consensus hottest stripper (female) at Derriere’s (definitely a hot stripper, but Derriere’s was the shittiest out of the 3 we went to). Now shes calling and texing me, shes from woodbridge and shes gonna be in DC next weekend………. At first I thought I was totally sweet, but now Im just really scared and hope she doesn’t try and contact me again ESPICIALLY if im drunk at the time….. Either way both things make me want to continue working out, even though its getting nice outside.

Monkeydad · 03-22-2011, 12:39 PM

I have heard of people eating Chia seeds actually. No way I'd do it...what happens when you "water" them with a drink?

I could have done without that last paragraph.

MTK · 03-22-2011, 12:41 PM

^^ lol, TMI for ya?

Monkeydad · 03-22-2011, 12:45 PM

In before he grows green chest hair from Chia seeds and scares the women at his new "job".

mlmpetert · 03-22-2011, 03:19 PM

So the guy i work with has 2 kids; one's a vegan the other is a little pudgy. The pudgy one takes chia seeds 30 mins before meals with a full glass of water so they expand and reduces his appetite. Apparently it has worked well so far (about a month).

Sorry about all the details. Its just that I don’t get chased by a stripper all that often, or get offered a job from a completely unrelated stripper pimp, in the same day nonetheless! I almost feel like im part of the biz now…… soulless and in need of a shower asap.

03-01-2011, 01:00 PM	#211
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: P90x I thought I would post about this because ive had really good results on the high protein diet. For the first time since high school (almost 10 years ago) I started lifting free weights in October. After a couple weeks I got up to a 1 rep max of 185, which was about where I was in HS (I think 205 was my most ever in HS). I increased it to 205 up until December, then had surgery which kept me out 4-6 weeks. Dropped back down to 185 max when I started again, then got up to about 215 and then had to have surgery again in late January which kept me out another 3 weeks. Came back at 205 and since then ive really taken off. So basically in the month of February I went from 205 to 235 (as of last night). I could feel a slight plateau around 215 before (3+ weeks in a row at 215). Then 3 weeks ago I started punishing protein on work out days. So basically in 4 weeks my max went up 30 pounds, but even more significantly (and probably why my max jumped) is that I am able to get a lot more reps out. Yesterday I put down around 250grams of protein (no easy feat). Mondays is when I do bench. We start off on bench, then do; incline, decline, military press, shoulder shrugs, and seated chest pull downs (front and back). Besides the flat bench press we take a cue from p90x and mix the other things up and do slightly different variations (Change is good – Tony Horton). Also compared to how I used to work out in HS vs now is a major difference. P90x definitely gave me the Bring It attitude when lifting weights. We usually go for about an hour and half and it’s a pretty intense regimen for just free weights and no cardio at all. So because of the surgies I had im not exactly sure how my bench would have progressed if I was on a non-high protein diet. But in the last 3 weeks is when I felt the most change. Im sure a lot of this is just because im basically new at lifting, but I do think the protein has helped significantly. My goal at the start of the year was 245 by summer and 265 by summer end. I think I am going to be able to up those a little bit. I also do p90x Chest and Back on Thursdays. Im thinking once I plateau I will switch out Chest and Back with Core Synergies, YogaX, or Chest Shoulders and Biceps. I think ive put on about 10 pounds, I now weight around 215, but I have definitely fatted up a little. Im guessing half to muscle half to fat. For body comparison sake Im 6’2.5” and have a 78 in wing span and would have normally considered myself a slow gainer. Eating 200+ grams of protein is a all day challenge. I do though usually drink a 50gram protein shake right before I lift and probably put down 60-100 right after I lift. I also take creatine which I know fattens me up. Also I found that pork has a lot of protein in it and have seriously stocked up on bacon (really high). Also Body Fortress Super Advance Whey Protein has 52 grams of protein and only 280 calories. You can get it at Walmart (I know some people here hate/are too good for Walmart) for I think 16 bucks for 13 servings. I get the chocolate and its not bad at all. Also I put my 80 weight vest to test this weekend and put down dandylion killer on my lawn. I could only do it for about ¼ of the lawn, before I gave up ( I was also pretty hungover). Its pretty eXtreme and you can feel it primarily in your shoulders/core/back. I was hoping for a leg work out so im not sure how im going to use it going forward.

03-01-2011, 02:17 PM	#213
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: P90x Yesterday was probably a little too high but from your website: Most people meet their daily protein requirements by many times over. In addition there is a misconception that a high protein diet is helpful for training. High protein diets do not help improve muscle strength or aid in training. In fact, high protein diets can be harmful to your health. There is far more risk to your health from high protein diet than from low protein diet. Proteins have a high amount of nitrogen. When nitrogen is broken down in the liver it creates ammonia. Ammonia is poisonous. The increased level of ammonia in the body is harmful to cells and may decrease atheletic performance. Stress on kidneys occurs when more than 2 grams per kilogram of ideal body weight per day is consumed. High levels of protein intake require increased amount of vitamin B6. It is possible to become deficient in vitamin B6 while using a high protein diet. Calcium loss, which leads to osteoporosis, occurs with high levels of protein intake So i should be okay with 180grams and will probably stretch that out to a little over 200. I will start drinking more water. Here is something i read about high protein: Bodybuilding FAQ - Protein and Kidney Damage I refuse to stop drinking!! NEVER!

03-01-2011, 02:56 PM	#214
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: P90x That study was based on 0.76 grams of protein per pound bodyweight. You're taking in 1.16 grams her pound. It's far above recommended levels even for training intake. Protein is safe when used properly. It's in food, it's natural to the body. But, too much of ANYTHING can be bad. You can take too much calcium, overload on any vitamin and protein is no different. Just be careful, man. I take supps too and can't stand when people who have no clue say "protein is bad for you" and think Creatine is steroids, but you have to use things safely too. You can even die from drinking too much water too quickly...and nothing is bad about water...until you get too much. But, it's OK. Your liver is going to explode before your kidneys. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

03-01-2011, 04:37 PM	#217
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: P90x Hey! 1) I wasnt mowing the grass i was pushing a spreader spreading weed killer WITH a 80 weight vest on 2) http://thestir.cafemom.com/healthy_living/116607/out_with_water_in_with (okay this point may be moot, as it pertains to low alcohol beer) 3) Ive made significant muscel gains in my mind over the last month Honestly i dont really have time to drink and dont drink that much. Maybe 1 (occasionally 2) nights on the weekdays which is usually always less than 4 drinks. On weekends; however, its possibly more……

03-01-2011, 04:45 PM	#218
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,565	Re: P90x Yeah not only is that point moot but it's totally laughable. Good try though. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-21-2011, 06:23 PM	#221
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: P90x Well with the VCU run in the CAA tourney and then the VCU run in the NCAA tourney and plus a bachelor party filled with strippers/struppeds, my workout schedule has been a little erratic. Once i hit 235 i modified my bench press grip because i saw some stuff on the ole 'net about shoulder issues with higher weight. Of course once i modified my grip i got a little weaker (expected) and my right shoulder started acting up (not expected), so now im taking today off, just gonna do p90x this week and then returning to a regular schedule next week. Ive been able to hold onto the 235 bench press but i havent gone up. I think I should be able to return to my normal workout schedule next week so hopefully ill start making gains again. Any grip suggestions would be great. Also a guy I work with told me about chia (like the pet) seeds. His son is a vegan and eats them. Apparently they are one of the rare complete non-meat proteins. Also I went to a girls going away party yesterday and her friends got her a male stripper (I never saw him and went with most of the other dudes to the basement to play pool or darts). So were talking to the strippers pimp (I guess that what you call him) and he said I definitely got the body to be a stripper (I know, sounds a little gay). Plus from the bachelor party this weekend I was talking to the groups consensus hottest stripper (female) at Derriere’s (definitely a hot stripper, but Derriere’s was the shittiest out of the 3 we went to). Now shes calling and texing me, shes from woodbridge and shes gonna be in DC next weekend………. At first I thought I was totally sweet, but now Im just really scared and hope she doesn’t try and contact me again ESPICIALLY if im drunk at the time….. Either way both things make me want to continue working out, even though its getting nice outside.

03-22-2011, 12:39 PM	#222
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: P90x I have heard of people eating Chia seeds actually. No way I'd do it...what happens when you "water" them with a drink? I could have done without that last paragraph. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

03-22-2011, 12:41 PM	#223
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,565	Re: P90x ^^ lol, TMI for ya? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-22-2011, 12:45 PM	#224
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: P90x In before he grows green chest hair from Chia seeds and scares the women at his new "job". __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

03-22-2011, 03:19 PM	#225
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: P90x So the guy i work with has 2 kids; one's a vegan the other is a little pudgy. The pudgy one takes chia seeds 30 mins before meals with a full glass of water so they expand and reduces his appetite. Apparently it has worked well so far (about a month). Sorry about all the details. Its just that I don’t get chased by a stripper all that often, or get offered a job from a completely unrelated stripper pimp, in the same day nonetheless! I almost feel like im part of the biz now…… soulless and in need of a shower asap.

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